The Victory Thread

[Critical Overdrive]

Originally posted by Almaci
Russia didnt invade other countries, Germany did.

Know your history before you begin "assuming" please

http://um1.tmt.tele.fi/finfo/english/war1.html

The Winter War erupted on 30 November 1939, when Stalin unleashed his Red Army in an all-out assault against Finland. In August that year Stalin and Hitler had divided eastern Europe between them in the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, leaving Finland isolated in the Soviet sphere of influence. During the fall Stalin demanded that Finland cede key parts of the country to the USSR. When Finland refused to meet all his demands Stalin unleashed his armies

[Jimmy Carter]

Originally posted by Almaci
Russia didnt invade other countries, Germany did.
One of the countries Germany invaded was Russia, the alied forces battled Germany, as did russia, they would have done so irrespective of eachother so you can hardly compare the two.

Rumsfeld shook Saddam´s hand whil Saddam had started a war of aggresion against Iran, there was no war between the US and Iran or Iraq so you can hardly compare the two.

Ding ding!

Finland! The Eastern Bloc! Afganistan!

They aided the invasion of southern Vietnam! South Korea!

Ding ding!

[NightWolve]

Originally posted by Almaci
Rumsfeld shook Saddam´s hand whil Saddam had started a war of aggresion against Iran, there was no war between the US and Iran or Iraq so you can hardly compare the two.

So fucking what??? He was sent there by Reagan. Envoys are sent all over to shake the hands of various questionable individuals to do the dirty work of their superiors.. Colin Powell was reduced to shaking the hand of Yassir Arafat - ya know, that fucking terrorist. I imagine Chirac shook Saddam's fucking hand too.. I imagine diplomats from Russia/China have shaken his fucking hand and called him 'friend' too. Ya know, I also imagine we once sent someone over to shake Stalin's fucking hand as well, depending on how far back in history we wanna go...

If Rumsfeld and wolfowitz weren't in this administration, would it make a fucking difference to you??? So you called them out on being hypocrites, congratu-fucking-lations... You're one too! Join the fucking club!!!!

Originally posted by Critical Overdrive
Know your history before you begin "assuming" please

http://um1.tmt.tele.fi/finfo/english/war1.html

Dude!!!! Russia never invaded anybody!! That's fucking propoganda!! It was the US that was always meddling in other countries affairs and not letting them work out their own problems... Kinda like we're doing now!! Fucking history repeats itself... As you all can tell, I'm getting fucking sick of this shit .

[Almaci]

Originally posted by Jimmy Carter
Ding ding!

Finland! The Eastern Bloc! Afganistan!

They aided the invasion of southern Vietnam! South Korea!

Ding ding!

That was BEFORE the second world war started and years before the US got involved.

Oh and Jimmy Eastern bloc, Afghanistan, S Vietnam, SK all during the second world war?
So we should hold people who are dead by the time future conflicts come along accountable for conflicts who at that time have not happened yet?
This was about US/USSR relation DURING the second world war.

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Pretty sad really that events from before and long after the second world war are called in in a vain attempt to discredit my argument.

Nice try, no cigar.

[Jimmy Carter]

But we supported them and they turned into a monster. That was your logic.

Eastern Bloc was just after WWII. With our support, Russia stormed across the continent to destroy Hitler and when the war was over, didn't give the land back.

So we should hold people who are dead by the time future conflicts come along accountable for conflicts who at that time have not happened yet?

According to your crackhead logic, we should. I say: mistakes are made, nobody knows the future. If you make a mistake, make up for it.

[Almaci]

LOL

Ok whatever.
Stalin is personally responsible for Vietnam and Korea and should have been tried for them before he died long before those conflicts took place.

PS you might want to look into France role in Vietnam.
More amunition for you anti French.

[Jimmy Carter]

But Almaci! I thought you were the king of arguments? Instead of proving your point you're backing out? I thought you were getting tired of us making fun of your for your compelling points?

[Eight One]

Ouch.

[Almaci]

Originally posted by Jimmy Carter
But Almaci! I thought you were the king of arguments? Instead of proving your point you're backing out? I thought you were getting tired of us making fun of your for your compelling points?

Ive provided my argument, yourse consists of draging in Vietnam and Korea.
I explained why the fight against germany where the USSR and the Alied forces worked together was not comparable to aiding iraq in peacetime.

So no you havent made any compelling points and no im not backing out, ive provided my arguments wich remain solid I cant do much more then that while you again drag it into ridicule.

[Jimmy Carter]

Oh grief. Do you ever get a different response? "Stop ridiculing me!!!!!"

Your argument was a non-entity. Your logic said that since we supported Saddam, those who supported him should be tried as war criminals. So I said that if you were correct, then you would say that those who supported the communists in WWII should've faced the same fate.

It's the same situation.

You have no argument and your only reasoning for not giving one is, "You're ridiculing me!" Well maybe in Belgium people aren't called to back themselves up, but in America, it's a bit different. If you say something stupid, you'd better apologize or back yourself up.

Now make your case or be quiet.