French Scum

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Some people just like working themselves into a fit.

[Kidnemo]

merde = shit?

(atleast from my two minute google search, thats what I came up with)

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Good to know.

[Despair]

Learn something every day.

[Stone]

Originally posted by Sidez
Today I talked to one of my French lecturers about this (she is head of French at Cardiff) and she agreed with me 100%. Stone, i've layed the facts before you and done my best to educate you on these issues. Take it or continue your ignorance.

Heh, wait, one of your university professors agrees with you? I guess that settles it. You haven't laid anything down - you've just dismissed evidence provided as being circumstantial. Your tolerance for this sort of stuff is absurdly high.

Originally posted by Tracer
Stone: I'll just wager that if a hard-line Facist-like politician actually ran in the USA and weilded that language well enough he'd get such a precentage as Le Pen. I think Pat Buchanan should run again and prove this right.

ºTracer

Buchanan got half of a million votes in the 2000 elections as the Reform Party candidate. He was obviously the most far right candidate in the election. Moving further right would have necessarily dropped his returns. Half a million votes is about 1/2% of the total votes cast in the US. A fair bit less than Le Pen's results, eh?

[Tracer]

Buchanan didn't go far enough to the right -_o

He needs to brandish those ultra-conservitive christan values a little bit more librally

[bbobb]

Originally posted by Kidnemo
From page 5 on all I did was scan through for the chicks.

I respect what everyone in here is trying to do, but just about everyone in these political threads has resorted to name calling or acting like a complete jackass at some point.

This thread tastes like shit.

Then it looks like I did something right. Maybe I'll dig up some more tonight.

[Stone]

Tracer - it just doesn't work that way, unless you think there are millions of people to the right of Pat Buchanan that:

1.) Didn't vote because Pat Buchanan was too liberal.
2.) Would've voted if Pat Buchanan had spouted even more hatred.

I'd kind of like to meet the crowd that considers Buchanan a left-winger.

[Tracer]

You're right, but maybe the cliamate is better now?

Maybe I'm cynical but Fox News is the highest rated news station now I belive

I'm only being semi-serious now anyway.

[Stone]

There is growing Anti-semitism in France. Look at the growing population of extremist muslims, look at the widespread committed support of Palestine on both the left and right, read articles on the situation by L'Express and Le Monde (http://www.mafhoum.com/press/Attali.htm?). If Le Pen's anti-semitism was an issue, then the French Democracy would have produced a non-anti-semitic candidate.

The French are not all anti-semites - I've never claimed that. I've said that anti-semitism is growing more frequently in France than in any other major country. If you'd like to argue that, give evidence of a similar explosion of anti-semitism somewhere else.

As far as the acceptance of stuff like vandalizing graveyards: think Marxist revolution - I'd point to the 25% returns of the Marxist Communist party of France during the cold war, the extreme parties that garner votes today. A political climate that fosters Marxism is a political climate more accepting of stuff like burning down McDonaldses and vandalizing graveyards.

Read Fanon, read Sartre - France is lacking in an honest neoconservative counterposition to the many, many Marxist scholars and political theorists in the country. For every Chomsky we've got we also produce a Fukayama - there's that balance in US politics. You could write a thesis on this, easily:

I think it's fair to claim that given the support shown to Marxist revolutionary policy on a mass political scale, that given the lack of some sort of significant balance on the other side of the spectrum, given the classic les-anglo-saxons phobia that has been a part of French culture since the revolution, given the growing muslim extremist population, and given the across-the-board support for Palestine, that:

1.) France currently sees a greater number of instances of anti-semitism.
2.) France is in danger of seeing more anti-semitism.
3.) The political center of France is located in a position that leaves many French MORE willing to accept "revolutionary" Marxist-type expressions of their political beliefs.