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[Tracer]

Doesn't that infringe on American mining jobs? I wouldn't call that pro-environment anyway. It's pro-ameican-environment at best.

Environment issues are very important to me personally, so that's why I asked. I'm scientifically minded (I like to think) and there are numerous alternitives AND the USA has the technology and the money to pursue and quickly adopt cleaner solutions to current 'messy' problems which could (at thier current rate) make our planet uninhabitable without permanent prostheic enviromental controls in the next 50 or so years. Oil will not only not hold out - but the continued consumption of it will engender a grevious htreat to the eco-system. Water is another more dangerous issue (one which could be solved if the planet wasn't getting alarmingly too warm and deforestation wasn't so high).

That won't happen though. We'll be in dire crisis before something is done (as always) because only crisis percipitate change.

Originally posted by Stone
Well, you can't really escape being labelled either Democrat, Republican, Liberal, or Authoritarian...everyone falls somewhere on that wheel.

Moderate seems nice.

[Stone]

Originally posted by Tracer
Doesn't that infringe on American mining jobs? I wouldn't call that pro-environment anyway. It's pro-ameican-environment at best.

Heh, yeah, I don't know - this is why I'm not a paleocon.

[Tracer]

Politically, how would you define or place Carl Sagan / Joseph Cambell for instance? I would like to think that my views fall moreorless squarely in-sync with his / theirs.

[Stone]

I don't know what Sagan's beliefs are, other than his atheism, which doesn't necessarily find its home in any one particular position.

Sagan used to teach at the school I go to (Cornell). He had this fantastic house on top of a cliff, and I walk by it almost every day on the way to school. Neat guy.

[Tracer]

Yeah he lived in Ithaca, NY for a while - I belive his wife Ann Druyan lives there still. He taught astronomy there and made some great strides to the understaning of Titan Tholin and the conditions of promordial Earth which was a great contribution from Cornell which had otherwise not been known for its Astronomy program I belive (at least I don't know of any more advances from it).

To call Sagan an Atheist is somewhat lazy - he him self said when presented with the question "do you belive in god" he would always reply "how do you define god" which clearly implys that he is not an atheist (because that would automatically make his answer no).

Were one to say, like Einstein did, that God was the sum total of Physical Laws in the universe his answer would have likely been a string of more questions - but perhaps agreeance. I can't say - he, like myself (not on accident either, Sagan to me is a philosopher whom I have studied 'religiously') would like to pigeon-hole himself on any one thing.

[Stone]

We've got a pretty amazing Astronomy program, actually, we've had a lot of major projects with NASA over the last 20 years.

[Tracer]

Coolness, that was the only study I know of that made some signifigant and applied science which should, by the way, be yeilding results in 2004 (soon! yay!) when the Cassini/Titan space probe does its thing. Yay for JPL!

[Jimmy Carter]

Didn't read everything on this page but I did see the name "Pat Buchanan".


Ha ha ha ha ha...


Thank you. Pat Buchanan is funny.

[Calliander]

Hey, I had a big thing to post in this vein, but I feel that we've kind of sauntered away from the original topic of the post. Should I start a new thread or post my long reply here?

[Jimmy Carter]

Just slap it in here. The political threads never stay on topic anymore.