Terminator 3 - Rise of the Machines Official

[Gutsman]

Nash:
I agree that T2 had better, more enjoyable action scenes. The action in T3 may have been more extravagant, but they weren't as artistic or well choreographed as the ones in T2. For example T3 will bash you over the head with huge collisions and explosions, but T2 relies more on style. In that sense I think T2 is a better action movie that T3. As for which is more entertaining, I think it's a toss up. There are scenes in T2 I can watch over and over again forever, like that one in the mall, and there are scenes like that in T3 too.

T2 he never had any emotion on his face

He looked annoyed when John tricked him with the "high five"

He smiled or grinned numerous times in T2, it would take too long to list them all. For example "Trust me", "remote control", "that's really you". He never smiled in T3.

[Despair]

Model in T2 learned to emote and react to the people. In T3 he had no time to waste on the learning, and concentrated on his mission.

I totally agree that T2 had a better action scenes, but it doesnt mean T3 was slacking in that department either.

[Captain Vegetable]

Originally posted by Nash
dude, that's the whole foundation on which the terminator story is built on: changing the past to effect the future. if you're gonna dismiss that, then you're throwing the entire story out the window. why even bother sending back a terminator to kill sarah connor and john connor if it isn't going to effect the future at all?

Not true. It's never been about changing the past, but fulfilling it, as finally demonstrated in the third movie. John Conner didn't send a Terminator back in time to protect himself to change the future, John was preventing the future from changing. John new there was no way around Judgement Day. What he also knew was that because of the outcome of the future, his present, he needed to survive. Not that he "needed" to survive, but that he did survive through Judgement Day. Why did he survive? Because he sent Kyle, and two T-850s back in time to make sure he did. He wasn't changing anything. He was facilitating what had already happened. Because of the resultant state of the future, his present, he was bound by the past to do what he did.

If he hadn't sent Kyle and the two Terminators back, THAT would have changed the future.

[JMET]

I agree with the others in that I thought they made Arnie a little too animated and or human in T-3, this being one of my minor gripes with the film.

[Despair]

What, He was LESS human in T3, you must be thinking about T2

[FuryFox]

The problem with Captain Vegetable's line of logic is that there was only the skynet-enabled, machine-controlled present, and the past. The future isn't discussed, except in reference to the present, from characters who are in the past.

I haven't studied Quantum Mechanics, but that 'time loop' explanation doesn't make sense. You're saying changing the past does not affect the present (which the movie supports)...but then it makes it pointless to time travel. And to say that not sending stuff back in the past would change the present, then that's illogical, since the present is contingent upon those events already having happened in the past. The present couldn't have existed in it's arguable state in the first place.

[Dolemite]

Okay, saw it on opening night, but I was away, so I'll chime in now:

Good movie. Arnold was great. Very good non-stop action. The plot was decent, better than I expected considering that Cameron wasn't involved. Still, I can't help but wonder what T3 would have been like if Cameron had handled it.

[Captain Vegetable]

Originally posted by FuryFox
The problem with Captain Vegetable's line of logic is that there was only the skynet-enabled, machine-controlled present, and the past. The future isn't discussed, except in reference to the present, from characters who are in the past.

Enough has been disclosed and can be surmised to fill in my holes. The John in the present knows there is no way around Judgement Day, therefore the John in the future knows the same thing, etc.

I haven't studied Quantum Mechanics, but that 'time loop' explanation doesn't make sense. You're saying changing the past does not affect the present (which the movie supports)...but then it makes it pointless to time travel.

It is not pointless to time travel if certain events are dependant upon it. It was not pointless for Kyle to time travel because John would never have been. It was not pointless for the first T-850 to time travel because then John would have died at the hands of the T-1000. And, finally, it was not pointless for the second T-850 to time travel because then John would have, again, died. As a matter of fact, this increases the importance of the time travel. To not time travel would have been the utter undoing of the current time-line, and since by the laws of Quantum Physics and the assumptions of Quantum theory that is impossible, John is bound to send those three individuals back in time. Time is forcing him to do it. Time is acting on him, and not he acting on time.

You're thinking Time is actied upon instead of acting. That is probably why what I said isn't logically coherent to you.

And to say that not sending stuff back in the past would change the present, then that's illogical, since the present is contingent upon those events already having happened in the past. The present couldn't have existed in it's arguable state in the first place.

This is also fallable. Just as much as the present is dependant on the past, so it is with the future. Our future influences our present as much as our past does. Here in this series of movies this notion is taken way overboard, but is still consistant with time and Quantum Theory.

[gameoverDude]

Originally posted by Yamcha
3) No violence. This is a Terminator movie, instead, all we get is the arm through the chest. And what the hell is this "talk to the hand" shit, he should have put a bullet in that guy's face. Even most of the TX kills aren't shown on-screen. C'mon now, make use of that R rating.

True. What's up with the saw killing being offscreen? You see the TX come in the room, but you just hear the saw and a scream of pain. About all you see there is a bit of blood splashing onto the photo. At least they didn't go for the PG-13, on the other hand.

OTOH, I loved that "Talk to the hand" bit as much as "Hasta La Vista".

I'm wondering if there will be a Director's Cut for the DVD version.

[JMET]

Originally posted by Despair
What, He was LESS human in T3, you must be thinking about T2

Your taste in movies is all anyone needs to know about when your questioning others..