"Iranian Protesters Remain Resolute"

[PaCrappa]

I think the overall political climate in the US and abroad "is just a shade below reasonable." Perhaps you're the one who needs to think about it a little more.

I think the portion of the facts that the government hands us through the press are facts. Sometimes. It's the portion of the facts that we don't get that bugs me. So you know a date or two on which people killed other people at the request of their political leaders. Me too. As does everyone. What I'd like to know about are the underlying issues that motivate the killing, and they'll most likely never be revealed. And why would they when there's always some new world issue in which we'll be the hero by killing some folks we heard on TV were bad?

It makes Americans feel good not knowing what goes on the heads of their heads of state. Especially if we can just keep kickin' ass on those lousy Muslims. "USA! STILL UNDEFEATED! WOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Very 1984.

Pa

[Stone]

Originally posted by PaCrappa
I think the overall political climate in the US and abroad "is just
It makes Americans feel good not knowing what goes on the heads of their heads of state. Especially if we can just keep kickin' ass on those lousy Muslims. "USA! STILL UNDEFEATED! WOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Very 1984.

Pa

Are you paying any attention to what Abobo's been writing?

[JMET]

Originally posted by Abobo
Back to the main post....my mother and brother just returned from a month long trip to Iran. Being Iranian myself, I wish I could have gone...work and and other prior commitments forced me to stay. I havn't been to Iran in 20 years, but from what my brother, who is 23, has told me...Iran has become a fantastic place to visit and see. He tells me that 90% of the people DISPISE the government and if they were given the chance, they would string up the mullas by their balls. Hatred for the government and Islam for that matter has grown to an unbelievalbe hight. The entire youth population, which is 70% of the population of Iran (less than 30 years of age), is totally disenfranchised with Islam. They want to be free to think, wear what they want, listen to what they want, and do as they please.

Talk to any young person in Iran, and they will run rings around any young person in America when it comes to politics in Iran and the world. Iran right now is on the verge of exploding. These small demonstartions are a precursor to the "Big One", July 9th 2003. It is the date set for a nationwide general strike. This is the set date of the anniversary of the demonstartions of 1999. The only think hold back the students from totally overthrowing the governement is the lack of a leader, a voice if you will. Someone with the charisma and focus to gather everyone for one main cause. They don't have a Martin Luther King, or Vaklav Havel (sp?). Ask the average person on the street and they will tell you that they love the US and would love to have the US help them.

What they don't want is direct US intervention, like Iraq or Afghanistan. They have already been screwed by the US three times. Iran can change easily from the Inside, there is no need for bombs to be dropped or sanctions to be imposed. Watch the news around July 9th....something big is going to happen. Oh and mark my words...a free Iran will change the world. If Iran is free....I would say that within 5 years Al-Quadia and the the problems in Isreal/Palestine would also be fixed. Iran is the 800 pound gorrila, free Iran and the rest will follow.

Funny how when some months back I said the U.S didnt need to touch Iran because the "youth" of the country would make the change themselves in 5 to 10 years at the most.

I was rediculed and told I didnt know shit about Iran...

Thanks for confirming my thoughts...

[Stone]

Ah, and Pacrappa, 1984 was an anti-socialist book that basically celebrated capitalism (you know, that economic system the US champions) and took pot shots at political correctness and modernity in literature. The government's fuck-the-poor, kill-social-security politics are completely at odds with the sort of 1984 characteristics you're accusing it of.

We're on the internet right now, freely exchanging information - that's something we can do here. Do people have that right in the Middle East?

And, of all things, the European Union is currently scrubbing 1500 years of Christian History out of its existence as it writes an EU Constitution that seems to completely ignore religion as a concept. You're talking about the US in the context of 1984?

[Jimmy Carter]

Originally posted by PaCrappa
I think the overall political climate in the US and abroad "is just a shade below reasonable." Perhaps you're the one who needs to think about it a little more.

What is that supposed to mean?

I think the portion of the facts that the government hands us through the press are facts. Sometimes. It's the portion of the facts that we don't get that bugs me. So you know a date or two on which people killed other people at the request of their political leaders. Me too. As does everyone. What I'd like to know about are the underlying issues that motivate the killing, and they'll most likely never be revealed. And why would they when there's always some new world issue in which we'll be the hero by killing some folks we heard on TV were bad?

Conspiracy theories.

The government is the source of news, and the press are its puppets? Please. The news orgs do one thing and one thing only: sell you news. If they're only giving you a shallow story, or the base facts, it's because that's all the public wants to hear. The public doesn't want to think about bad guys, they want to think about movie stars and new sex techniques.

You say you want to know the issues motivating the killing. If you are unable to accept what you read in the paper, see on TV, hear on the radio, etc., how can anyone ever convince you? You are adamant that the nightly news is tilting things, you are adamant that you cannot trust the sources, so how the heck is someone supposed to convince you of the reasons for war in the first place? You've already closed the door to debate, you've already decided that everyone is wrong without actually giving them chance.

How do you know that the media is fed by the government? I wish that I, like you, had such information. How do you know that the government is hiding facts? Again, I wish I had your sources, because I'm stuck with the internet for news.

It makes Americans feel good not knowing what goes on the heads of their heads of state. Especially if we can just keep kickin' ass on those lousy Muslims.

So, Americans feel good when they intentionally do not understand the actions of their government?

"USA! STILL UNDEFEATED! WOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Vietnam.

Very 1984.

Maybe in your mind, but I want to know what you know. How do you know that we're being fed garbage in order for our government to anally rape us? Here's the problem I'm having with statements like yours: you cannot back it up and you will not back it up. I want you to give me some facts, not theories. "I don't think we're getting the whole truth" is not the same as "We're not getting the whole truth, and here's why..."

It's nothing but typical conspiracy theorist propaganda (!) that holds no water.

[Abobo]

JMET, if I would have seen that post...I would have taken your side without a doubt. 5 to 10 years is too far away...I have this feeling that the Mullahs will not see 2004, and I mean that literally! Finally those firing squads and Hang posts will be put to some real use. Oh..by the way..when the change happens..it's going to be VERY bloody. The anger that has gathered in the past 25 years is very real and very powerful.

[Jimmy Carter]

Originally posted by Stone
We're on the internet right now, freely exchanging information - that's something we can do here. Do people have that right in the Middle East?

Freedom of thought doesn't matter. It isn't freedom. It's an illusion. We're puppets of the government being fed on every level.

WAR IS PEACE.

FREEDOM IS SLAVERY.

IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH.

[NightWolve]

Originally posted by Abobo
Yeah, I'm Iranian. Card Carrying Memeber of the "Axis of Evil" since 1972.

Well, I guess I could say I'm a card-carrying member of the "Great Satan" myself ... I'm sure you realize that was directed at the governments and not so much the ppl (we're not still calling Iraq that the last time I checked). But, on the flipside, I have the same problem and lean towards all of America being viewed as Great Satan, infidels, kaffirs, etc.

[Stone]

http://nytimes.com/reuters/internati...ujahideen.html

French Police Raid Offices of Iranian Opposition Group

Well, France is evidently rounding up an organization dedicated to ending the Mullah's regime. They arrested about 160 people connected with "the People's Mujahiddeen". The EU calls them terrorists. Apparently, we classify the group as a terrorist group, yet the NCRI (a group that seems to back this "People's Mujahiddeen") has been helping us find nuclear sites in Iran.

The NCRI site also includes: "But parliamentary majorities in Britain, Italy, Belgium, Luxembourg and the United States, as well as hundreds of MPs in other European countries, have repeatedly declared support for the Mojahedin as "a legitimate resistance movement' and the "antithesis of fundamentalism and terrorism." Also highlighted has been the prominent role of women in the Mojahedin's leadership, reflecting the movement's democratic credentials and the new perspectives that it offers for fundamental change towards democracy in Iran."

"Iran's Resistance Leader Massoud Rajavi made a public declaration on March 20, 2000: "I pledge, on behalf of the Iranian Resistance, that if anyone from our side oversteps the red line concerning absolute prohibition of attacks on civilians and innocent individuals, either deliberately or unintentionally, he or she would be ready to stand trial in any international court and accept any ruling by the court, including the payment of compensation.""

http://www.iran-e-azad.org/

A quote from the article:
"The Iranian Foreign Ministry praised the French action, however. ``This is a positive step taken by France and we are expecting these people to be handled like other dangerous terrorists,'' ministry spokesman Hamid Reza Asefi said."

France getting praise from the Iranian Foreign Ministry. 1984 what?

Yeah, I'm Iranian. Card Carrying Memeber of the "Axis of Evil" since 1972.

I know you know this, but the people who that "Axis of Evil" title refers to are the Mullahs, not real Iranians. It was Saddam, not real Iraqis, and Kim Jong Il II, not real North Koreans. Important for everyone to remember I guess.

[Almaci]

Hey Stone, Al Queda arent terrorists, they are a US opposition group,sounds retarded doesnt it?