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**Brisco Bold** · 27 Jun 2003, 03:18 AM

Good to hear!

**Drewbacca** · 27 Jun 2003, 11:33 AM

Originally posted by Stone
You don't know what you're talking about. You're not going to chug MGD at La Tour D'Argent, no, and no, you probably wouldn't order beer there, in general.

However, there are many, many beers that are 'tasteful' in the sense of being both both richly flavorful and aesthetically wise. You can drink some white wines, Alsatians, German rieslings, with many asian foods, but often beer is far more appropriate and is a better accompaniment. A Pilsner Urquell will match good curries at least as well as a wine.

There are a many beers with flavors as nuanced as a majority of the wines any of us can afford to drink on a regular basis. Anchor makes a few of them, Budvar, Pilsner Urquell, I dunno, it's foolish even trying to list all the beers that are at least as suitable as table wine for a "fine dinner".

If you have to choose between great wine and great beer to drink with most foods, yes, you'll choose great wine. However, remember that it's very rare that you get a chance to drink truly great wine.

Also, if you're going to pull the snobbish aesthete thing in the future, dismiss quality levels, not entire food/beverage types. IE, "People who drink Miller Lite are idiots" or "Men should never drink sweet cocktails" is okay, but "Beer is never appropriate with fine food" or "Frying is an inferior cooking technique" is dumb. You won't know enough, really, ever, to dismiss an entire category of drink - I may hate vodka or something like that, but I know that it's appropriate at times.

Plus, once you move from pablum into the realm of strongly, deeply flavored foods and beverages (the difference between Boone's and Le Chateau Yquem, Natty Light and Anchor Liberty Ale, a Chicken McNugget and real fried chicken), then basically any combination is appropriate.

Tricky business, being stuck-up, I know.

But... what's the common place for adults to drink when they go out to one of these mature restaurants?

Again, my point wasn't that beer sucked, but that wine was more palitable.

Originally posted by Stone

Also, if you're going to pull the snobbish aesthete thing in the future, dismiss quality levels, not entire food/beverage types. IE, "People who drink Miller Lite are idiots" or "Men should never drink sweet cocktails" is okay, but "Beer is never appropriate with fine food" or "Frying is an inferior cooking technique" is dumb. You won't know enough, really, ever, to dismiss an entire category of drink - I may hate vodka or something like that, but I know that it's appropriate at times.

I never made any of those comments. I said what beer is typically drunken at bars, or parties with pizza or whatnot, as opposed to a mature restaurant that a matured adult would visit. I never ever insinuated that people who drink beer were morons, and I'd like to know how you misconsqueued my words here, but the original "case" was for mature, 'grownups' and what they'd maturely drink. Your post was very informative but didn't really do anything except strengthen my case. (not that it's some sort of brain surgery) Beer has its place, and is used in the kitchen for many things by chefs, but, again, wine is the standard and more palitable.

Originally posted by Stone
If you have to choose between great wine and great beer to drink with most foods, yes, you'll choose great wine.

That's all you had to say.

**Stone** · 27 Jun 2003, 01:04 PM

Originally posted by Andrew
But... what's the common place for adults to drink when they go out to one of these mature restaurants?

Again, my point wasn't that beer sucked, but that wine was more palitable.

Heheh, I can't believe I'm doing this, but, okay, first, "palatable" doesn't mean what you think it means - "palatable" means "acceptable to be drunk or eaten". Water is more palatable than beer. A lot of people misuse the word, though.

I don't think "What's the common place for adults to drink when they go out to one of these mature restaurants?" means what you think it means. You're asking what "the common place for adults" to drink is "when they go out to...restaurants." I'd imagine "the common place" is at a table in the restaurant, or at a bar, ie you're referring to the physical area in which drinking usually takes place.

You seem to try to fashion sentences that sound learned, and you ignore the importance of actually trying to make sense. I feel like Inigo from The Princess Bride.

I never made any of those comments. I said what beer is typically drunken at bars, or parties with pizza or whatnot, as opposed to a mature restaurant that a matured adult would visit.

I never ever insinuated that people who drink beer were morons, and I'd like to know how you misconsqueued my words here, but the original "case" was for mature, 'grownups' and what they'd maturely drink.

Most beer doesn't taste palitable.

if you go in to a restaurant and order their shrimp and lobster soppressata with radish salad and basil oil, then ask for a beer, you'd look like a fool.

There are people who can go into restaurants, order the most expensive dish at the last good restaurant you went to, and drink beer. They aren't fools, necessarily.

People who drink beer would be morons if beer wasn't palatable.

Look, you made a stupid comment. You don't know enough about beer or wine to make this statement: "Mine was that there are better tasting things than beer, that mature people (aka grownups) do drink, like wine." A lot of women drink cheap American Chardonnay when they go out to bars, a beverage that requires a far less refined taste than that which a good beer asks for. You don't seem to know what palatable means, which leads to a sentence like "most beer doesn't taste palitable."

How do you know if "wine does taste better than beer" if you don't drink wine? You say "you don't drink beer with a fine dinner," yet, no, you're wrong, people do drink beer with fine dinners.

Going "in to a restaurant and order[ing] their shrimp and lobster soppressata with radish salad and basil oil, then ask[ing] for a beer," does not so necessarily make someone a "fool" that it's "common sense".

You say that "if you wanted to drink something with taste, beer isn't the option," which is, again, simply wrong. Beer is potentially tasteful both socially and aesthetically.

Your sort-of-round-a-bout accuracy as you over-emphasized a pretty obvious point, that wine is more often drunk with good food than beer, doesn't take away from the fact that you don't know what you're talking about. "Striker: Grownups drink wine for taste with their meal, not guzzling down some Canadian to wash it down," is a stupid statement that you're not informed well enough to make.

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Anyways, the reason I argue with you is that it seems like you could, eventually, learn how to write well. However, you're over-confident and full of shit. As long as you're comfortable with, you know, the "sound and fury" of meaningless writing that looks good, then you'll never produce anything that goes beyond stupid ass comments like "wine is more tasteabilityfull than beer" or whatever.

**StriderKyo** · 27 Jun 2003, 01:52 PM

Originally posted by MechDeus

Haha...I forgot Will Farrell was in Mortal Kombat.

Originally posted by icepop
That is one crazy city hall you have!

It just gets weirder from different angles. It's supposed to combine the look of a factory, a grain elevator, a greek temple, a farm silo and other things that have nothing to do with Mississauga.

It's gorgeous inside, though. Marble frescoes, an art gallery, an indoor botanical garden, brushed steel art-deco elevators, a huge stained glass window for the wedding chapel, and this crazy native starscape over the council chamber.

Originally posted by Andrew
Biggest piece of shit yet. Ask your parents, ask your boss, ask your neighbours. Adults drink beer, but beer is not palitable. You don't drink beer with a fine dinner.

I had a nice dinner with my father last week. He served a cold english porter. My father, incidentally, has been a writer for Wine Tidings for the last 20 years.

I never made any of those comments. I said what beer is typically drunken at bars, or parties with pizza or whatnot, as opposed to a mature restaurant that a matured adult would visit.

Actually, what you said was:

Nobody drinks beer for taste, they drink it to get hammered

Honestly, do you know anything? Because so far at TNL you're like 0 for 300. Which is one thing, but refusing to admit you're wrong and being a jerk to people who know better is quite another.

Originally posted by Stone
However, you're over-confident and full of shit. As long as you're comfortable with, you know, the "sound and fury" of meaningless writing that looks good, then you'll never produce anything that goes beyond stupid ass comments like "wine is more tasteabilityfull than beer" or whatever.

*High-fives Stone*

**Kenshin** · 27 Jun 2003, 02:12 PM

Mississauga City Hall looks like Alcatraz, and Mississauga itself is a characterless sprawl of subdivisions and commercial parks.

**StriderKyo** · 27 Jun 2003, 02:18 PM

Originally posted by Kenshin
Mississauga City Hall looks like Alcatraz, and Mississauga itself is a characterless sprawl of subdivisions and commercial parks.

I love those upper middle class suburban chicks, though. They dress so well...although having to listen to all that r&b is pretty killer.

**arjue** · 27 Jun 2003, 03:27 PM

EDIT: omg what drunk talk?!?!?

**Kenshin** · 27 Jun 2003, 06:50 PM

Originally posted by StriderKyo
I love those upper middle class suburban chicks, though. They dress so well...although having to listen to all that r&b is pretty killer.

Ugh, no. On both counts.

I'm a fan of the Downtown Toronto type of girls. They have style, and taste.