Madden 2004 *official*

[EvilMog]

The game comes out soon so I thought I would make a thread for the few of us that like football. I'm getting pretty hyped again. I told myselfI wasnt buying any football games this year but here I am. I just watched a few videos of the game. It looks pretty good. I think ESPN may look better though. I seen one really damn sweet video though. Its of a team who I really dont like and a player I think is overrated. It was Terrell Owens scoring a TD only then to pull out a sharpie, sign the ball and toss it into the crowd! SWEET! Hopefully the Lambeu Leap makes it this year. I also want to check out the new Playmaker control and see how online has changed. Though online football just makes me want to bash my controller or hit someone.

Well, just a few more days.


On another not I was browsing the strategy guide at work. They rank the player in their positions. I was surprise to find out who the BEST QB in the game is. Oddly enough it wasnt Vick.

#1 BRETT FAVRE! Overall a 98. His attributes were really high except his speed was shit.

#2 Rich Gannon.

#3 Donovan McNabb

#4 Mike Vick. he was decent overall but had INSANE speed. It was 95! Hes one of the fastest players in the game. Thats going to make playing him online a fucking bitch I think.

[Joust Williams]

The Sharpie throw-in rules :P Although it was against by beloved Seahawks. Anyway, Favre a 98? That's ludicrous.

I'm not surprised that Vick isn't the best, because quite frankly, he isn't in real life either. YET. He will be. It is hard to judge when you're playing for a fairly inept offense. Give him some better players, and you have 31 very scared NFL defenses.

[EvilMog]

The Sharpie throw-in rules :P Although it was against by beloved Seahawks. Anyway, Favre a 98? That's ludicrous.

I'm not surprised that Vick isn't the best, because quite frankly, he isn't in real life either. YET. He will be.

I honestly thin Favre is the best QB. His recievers have been pretty bad the last few year yet he still manages 3,000 + yards a year.
Its funny how Favre has a speed of 50 something though.







We need to set up online playing with everyone!! I'll LOSE to you all!

[Mamoscott]

I'll be picking Madden up as soon as it is available. I'll also be online that night as well.

I also checked out all the ratings, and there are a ton of people who are ridiculously overrated. I'm sure everyone online is going to whore Tampa Bay anyway. Fucking fair weather fans.

Go Bears!

[EvilMog]

fuck tampa bay. I wont play them. The Bears are actually rated rather well in the game. I was suprised.

I seen that the Xbox games looks the best and support custom soundtracks. So said one of the developers. Too bad its not online. Thats the only reason I'm getting the PS2 game. That way I at least have the option of playing a game or two with someone. DAMN YOU EA! Making me buy an inferior PS2 game.

[Shin Johnpv]

if you reserve it with Gamestop youll have the game monday night

[Astral]

Yea thats why i reserved at gamestop, i hope they have it monday. Im dying waiting for it.

I dont have a PS2 network adaptor yet so i dont know when i'll be online.

[Mamoscott]

I hate the Packers, but Favre deserves his 98 rating. He's a fucking awesome QB.

Interview with Madden's producer:
http://xbox.ign.com/articles/432/432718p1.html

Well, since this is the official thread, here are some player ratings. As you can see, Tampa is fucking stacked:

QB
98 Brett Favre GB
97 Rich Gannon OAK
95 Mike Vick ATL
95 Donovan McNabb PHI
93 Steve McNair TEN
93 Jeff Garcia SF
92 Peyton Manning IND
91 Kurt Warner STL
91 Drew Bledsoe BUF
90 Tom Brady NE
89 Aaron Brooks NO
88 Dante Culpepper MIN
88 Chad Pennington NYJ
87 Trent Green KC
87 Kerry Collins NYG
87 Brad Johnson TB
86 Mark Brunell JAC
84 Tom Maddox PIT
84 Jay Fiedler MIA
83 Matt Hasselback SEA
83 Marc Bulger STL
83 David Carr HOU
82 Jake Plummer DEN
81 Tim Couch CLE
81 Kelly Holcomb CLE
80 Drew Brees SD
79 Kordell Stewart CHI
79 Jon Kitna CIN
79 Joey Harrington DET
79 Carson Palmer CIN
78 Trent Dilfer SEA
78 Jeff Blake ARI
78 Brian Leftwich JAC
77 Vinny Testeverde NYJ
77 Steve Beurlein DEN
76 Pat Ramsey WAS
76 Doug Flutie SD
75 Rodney Peete CAR
75 Kyle Boller BAL
75 Jake Delhomme CAR
75 Chris Redman BAL
74 Mike McMahon DET
74 Chris Chandler CHI
73 Rex Grossman CHI
73 Chad Hutchinson DAL
72 Quincy Carter DAL
71 Gus Ferrotte MIN
66 Chris Simms TB
RB
97 Preist Holmes KC
97 Rickey Williams MIA
97 Marshal Faulk STL
95 LaDanion Tomlinson SD
93 Corey Dillon CIN
93 Mike Allstott TB
92 Clinton Portis DEN
92 Ahman Green GB
92 Duece McAlister NO
92 Lorenzo Neal SD
91 Curtis Martin NYJ
91 Shuan Alexander SEA
90 Fred Taylor JAC
90 Jim Kliensaucer MIN
90 Charlie Garner OAK
88 Jamal Lewis BAL
88 Edgerrin James IND
88 Tiki Barber NYG
88 Eddie George TEN
87 Stephen Davis CAR
87 Williamd Henderson GB
87 Tony Richardson KC
86 Tavis Henry BUF
86 Cory Slesinger DET
86 Rob Konrad MIA
86 Michael Bennet MIN
86 Todd Ritchie PHI
86 Duce Staley PHI
86 Garrison Hearst SF
85 James Hodgins ARI
85 Warrick Dunn ATL
84 Jerome Bettis PIT
84 Amos Zereoue PIT
83 William Green CLE
83 Mike Anderson DEN
83 James Stewart DET
82 Richie Anderson DAL
82 Marc Edwards JAC
82 Antwaun Smith NE
82 Kevin Barlow SF
81 Emmitt Smith ARI
81 Anthony Thomas CHI
81 Fred McCrary NE
81 Mike Pittman TB
80 TJ Duckett ATL
80 Stacy Mack HOU
80 Terrelle Smith NO
79 Jamal White CLE
79 Lamont Jordan NYJ
79 Zach Crockett OAK
79 Heath Evans SEA
78 Marcel Shipp ARI
78 Greg Comella TEN
77 Troy Hambrick DAL
77 Larry Johnson KC
77 Dorsey Levens NYG
77 Dan Kreider PIT
77 Bryan Johnson WAS
76 Willis McGahee BUF
76 Sam Gash BUF
76 Damion Shelton CHI
76 Trung Canidate WAS
75 Charles Stackhouse NYG
75 Correll Buckhalter PHI
74 Terrell Davis DEN
74 Dominic Rhodes IND
74 Moe Williams MIN
74 Tyrone Wheatley OAK
74 Brian Westbrook PHI
73 Howard Marrow BAL
73 Thomas Jones TB
72 Ron Dayne NYG
72 Jared Sowell NYJ
72 C. Fuamatalala PIT
71 Brad Hoover CAR
71 Kevin Faulk NE
70 Fred Baxter HOU
68 DeShawn Foster CAR
67 Michael Wiley DAL
67 Ontarrio Smith MIN
67 Brian Mitchell NYG
66 Lee Suggs CLE
66 Detron Smith IND
65 Justin Griffith ATL
65 Jerimi Johnson CIN
WR
99 Marvin Harrison IND
99 Terrell Owens SF
98 Randy Moss MIN
93 Eric Moulds BUF
93 Hines Ward PIT
92 Joe Horn NO
92 Issac Bruce STL
92 Torry Holt STL
91 Peerless Price ATL
91 Amani Toomer NYG
91 Keyshawn Johnson TB
90 Marty Booker CHI
90 Rod Smith DEN
90 Jerry Rice OAK
90 Plaxico Burress PIT
90 David Boston SD
89 Jimmy Smith JAC
88 Donald Driver GB
88 Troy Brown NE
88 Luv. Coles WAS
87 Derrick Mason TEN
86 Tim Brown OAK
86 Koren Robinson SEA
86 Rod Gardner WAS
85 Mushin Mohammad CAR
85 Charles Johnson CIN
85 Curtis Conway NYJ
85 Jerry Porter OAK
84 Quincy Morgan CLE
84 Joey Galloway DAL
84 Charles Rogers DET
84 Chris Chambers MIA
84 Dante Stallworth NO
83 Kevin Johnson CLE
83 Darrell Jackson SEA
83 Kenan McCardell TB
82 Ed McCaffery DEN
82 Ike Hilliard NYG
82 Todd Pinkston PHI
82 Andre Johnson TEX
81 David Patten NE
80 Peter Warrick CIN
80 Ashley Lelie DEN
80 Chad Bradford HOU
80 Santana Moss NYJ
80 Wayne Cherebet NYJ
80 Antwan Randel El PIT
80 Tai Streets SF
79 Travis Taylor BAL
79 Jake Reed BUF
79 Kevin Dyson CAR
79 Dennis Northcutt CLE
79 Terry Glenn DAL
79 Antonio Bryant DAL
79 Eddie Kennison KC
79 Johnnie Morton KC
79 Oronde Gadsen MIA
79 James Thrash PHI
79 Joe Juravicious TB
78 Dez White CHI
78 David Terrell CHI
78 Andre Davis CLE
78 Reggie Wayne IND
77 Brian Finneran ATL
77 Az Hakim DET
77 Jabar Gaffney HOU
77 Deon Branch NE
77 Tim Dwight SD
76 Marcus Robinson BAL
76 Ron Ferguson GB
76 Bobby Engram SEA
75 Bryant Johnson ARI
75 JaVon Walker GB
74 Bobby Shaw BUF
74 Dwayne Bates MIN
74 Drew Bennet TEN
72 JJ Stokes JAC
72 Ron Dixon NYG
71 Alquan Boldin ARI
70 Terrance Wilkins STL
66 Tim Carter NYG
TE
97 Tony Gonzalez KC
92 Jeremy Shockey NYG
90 Todd Heap BAL
90 Shannon Shapre DEN
87 Marcus Pollard IND
86 Bubba Franks GB
86 Bubba Franks GB
84 Chad Lewis PHI
84 Frank Wycheck TEN
82 Freddie Jones ARI
82 Algee Crumpler ATL
82 Randy McMichael MIA
81 Billy Miller HOU
81 Kyle Brady JAC
81 Byron Chamberlin MIN
81 Ken Dilger TB
80 Dewayne Carswell DEN
79 Christian Fauria NE
79 Ernie Conwell NO
79 Anthony Becht NYJ
79 Mark Breuner PIT
79 Jerramy Stevens SEA
76 Doug Jolley OAK
75 Desmond Clark CHI
75 Dan Campbell DAL
75 Dallas Clark IND
75 Eric Johnson SF
74 Steve Heiden CLE
73 Stephen Alexander SD
72 Tony McGee DAL
70 Cam Cleeland STL
69 Dave Moore BUF
69 Michael Ricks DET
69 L.J. Smith PHI
68 Kris Magnum CAR
61 Zeron Flemister WAS

OT
88 Wayne Gandy NO
86 Flozell Adams DAL
98 Jonathan Ogden BAL
98 Orlando Pace STL
95 Walter Jones SEA
95 Tra Thomas PHI
94 Chris Samuels WAS
96 Lincoln Kennedy OAK
92 Kyle Turley STL
91 Jon Jansen WAS
90 Willie Anderson CIN
88 Mark Tauscher GB

OG
98 Larry Allen DAL
97 Ruben Brown BUF
97 Alan Faneca PIT
90 Brian Waters KC
89 LeCharles Bentley NO
88 Edwin Mulitalo BAL
76 Chris Villarrial CHI
71 Andre Gurode DAL
98 Will Shields KC
96 Ron Stone SF
95 Leonard Davis ARI
92 Dan Neil DEN
91 Jermaine Mayberry PHI

C:
96 Olin Kreutz CHI
68 Al Johnson DAL
97 Kevin Mawae NYJ
93 Matt Birk MIN
92 Tom Nalen DEN
91 Jeremy Newberry SF

DE
98 Jason Taylor MIA
98 Mike Strahan NYG
97 Hugh Douglas JAC
97 Simeon Rice TB
94 Trevor Price DEN
93 Julius Peppers CAR
93 Richard Seymore NE
93 John Abraham NYJ
92 Patrick Kerney ATL
92 Marcellus Wiley SD
91 Andre Carter SF
91 Jevon Kearse TEN
90 Robert Porche DET
89 Justin Smith CIN
89 Greg Ellis DAL
89 Leonard Little STL
88 Darius Rucker CAR
88 KJB GB
88 Joe Johnson GB
88 Vonnie Holliday KC
88 Kevin Carter TEN
87 Gary Walker HOU
87 Dwight Freeney IND
87 Grant Winstrom STL
86 Courtney Brown CLE
86 Eric Hicks KC
85 Willie McGinest NE
85 Darren Howard NO
84 Aaron Smith PIT
84 Raylee Johnson SD
83 Chad Bratzke IND
83 Bruce Smith WAS
82 Brady Smith ATL
82 Adewale Ogunleye MIA
82 Kenny Holmes NYG
81 N.D. Kalu PHI
80 Marco Coleman JAC
80 Brandon Whiting PHI
79 Aaron Schobel BUF
79 Phillip Daniels CHI
79 Kenard Lang CLE
79 Lance Johnstone MIN
79 Charles Grant NO
79 Shaun Ellis NYJ
79 Antonio Cochran SEA
78 Kenny Mixon MIN
78 Chike Okeafor SEA
77 Alex Brown CHI
77 Greg Spiers TB
76 Jerome McDougale PHI
76 Kimo Von Oelhoffen PIT
75 Michael Haynes CHI
74 Michael McCrary BAL
74 Carl Powell CIN
74 Duane Clemons CIN
74 Ebenezer Ekuban DAL
74 Tyler Bryant OAK
74 Renaldo Wynn WAS
73 Kyle Vanden Bosch ARI
73 Bertrand Berry DEN
73 Trace Armstrong OAK
72 Marcu Jones BUF
72 Robaire Smith TEN
70 Fred Wakefield ARI
70 John Engelberger SF
66 Jerry DeLoach HOU
DT
98 Warren Sapp TB
97 La'Roi Glover DAL
96 Bryant Young SF
95 Corey Simon PHI
94 Pat Williams BUF
94 Chris Hovan MIN
93 Kris Jenkins CAR
91 Tim Bowens MIA
90 Keith Traylor CHI
90 Darryl Gardner DEN
90 Luther Ellis DET
90 Casey Hampton PIT
90 John Randle SEA
90 Anthony McFarland TB
89 Ted Washington CHI
89 Darwin Walker PHI
89 Norman Hand SEA
88 Gerald Warren CLE
88 Jamal Williams SD
87 Ellis Johnson ATL
87 Cledius Hunt GB
87 John Parrella OAK
86 Rod Coleman OAK
86 Jason Fisk SD
86 Albert Haynesworth TEN
85 Sam Adams BUF
85 Tony Williams CIN
85 Shaun Rogers DET
85 John Henderson JAC
84 Ed Jasper ATL
84 Marcus Stoud JAC
84 Larry Chester MIA
83 Keith Hamilton NYG
83 Dan Wilkinson WAS
82 Brentson Buckner CAR
82 John Thorton CIN
82 Grady Jackson NO
81 Josh Evans NYJ
80 Brad Scioli IND
80 Anthony Pleasant NE
80 Dwayne Roberston NYJ
80 Cody Pickett STL
80 ??? Lewis STL
78 Orpheous Roye CLE
78 Larry Tripplett IND
78 Carlos Hall TEN
77 Seth Payne HOU
77 Ryan Sims KC
77 Kendrick Clancy PIT
76 Wendell Bryant ARI
76 Jonathan Sullivan NO
75 Lional Dalton DEN
75 Kevin Williams MIN
74 John Browning KC
74 Ty Warren NE
74 Will Joseph NYG
74 D'Marco Farr SF
71 Russell Davis ARI
70 Mike Myers DAL
68 Rod Walker GB
63 Charles Hill HOU

LB
99 Ray Lewis BAL
99 Derrick Brooks TB
98 Brian Urlacher CHI
97 Lavar Arrington WAS
96 Junior Seau MIA
95 Zach Thomas MIA
95 Joey Porter PIT
94 Keith Brooking ATL
94 Takeo Spikes BUF
94 Jason Gildon PIT
92 Peter Bowlware BAL
92 Anthony Simmons SEA
92 Julian Peterson SF
91 Jamie Sharper HOU
91 Kendrall Bell PIT
91 Donnie Edwards SD
91 Chad Brown SEA
90 Robert Colvin NE
90 Michael Borrow NYG
90 Keith Bullock TEN
89 London Fletcher BUF
89 Brian Simmons CIN
89 Earl Holmes DET
89 Mike Peterson JAC
88 Al Wilson DEN
87 Eric Barton OAK
87 Dwayne Rudd TB
87 Jeremiah Trotter WAS
87 Jessie Armstead WAS
86 Warrick Holdman CHI
86 Dexter Coakley DAL
86 John Mobley DEN
86 Teddy Bruschi NE
86 Marvin Jones NYJ
86 Shelton Quarles TB
85 Mark Fields CAR
85 Dan Morgan CAR
85 Ian Gold DEN
85 Rob Morris IND
85 Shawn Barber KC
85 Chris Claiborne MIN
85 Bill Romanowski OAK
85 Nate Wayne PHI
84 Mo Lewis NYJ
84 Sam Coward NYJ
84 Carlos Emmons PHI
83 Roman Phifer NE
83 NapoleonHarris OAK
83 Derek Smith SF
82 Steve Foley CIN
82 Na'il Diggs GB
82 Greg Biekert MIN
82 Tommy Polley STL
81 ??? Hartwell BAL
81 Dat Nguyen DAL
81 Ishaiah Kacyvenski SEA
80 Ronald McKinnon ARI
80 Keith Newman ATL
80 Kevin Hardy CIN
80 Darrin Smith NO
80 Jeff Ulbrich SF
79 Jeff Posey BUF
79 Mike Maslowski KC
79 Peter Sirmon TEN
78 JayForeman HOU
78 Marcus Washington IND
78 Derrick Rodgers NO
77 Barry Gardner CLE
77 Al Singleton DAL
77 Dhani Jones NYG
77 D'Hani Jones TEN
76 Will Witherspoon CAR
75 Raynoch Thompson ARI
75 Nick Burnett GB
75 Orlando Ruff NO
75 Sedrick Hodge NO
75 Ben Leber SD
74 Sam Rogers ATL
74 Boss Bailey DET
74 Ka-Lee Wong HOU
74 EJ Hendesron MIN
74 Brandon Short NYG
73 Levar Fisher ARI
73 Mike Caldwell CHI
73 James Duncan STL
72 Barrett Green DET
72 Morlon Greenwood MIA
72 Mark Simoneau PHI
71 #47 STL
70 Hannibal Naives GB
70 Zeke Moreno SD
68 Kevin Bentley CLE
65 Ben Taylor CLE
65 Eric Westmoreland JAC
64 David Thorton IND
64 David Thornton IND
61 Frank Chamberline TEN

CB
98 Champ Bailey WAS
97 Sam Madison MIA
96 Patrick Surtain MIA
95 Ty Law NE
94 Aaron Glenn HOU
94 Charles Woodson OAK
94 Ronde Barber TB
93 Chris McAlister BAL
93 Troy Vincent PHI
93 Bobby Taylor PHI
92 Shaun Williams NYG
91 Aeneas Williams STL
90 Mike McKenzie GB
90 Brian Kelly TB
88 Shawn Springs SEA
87 Antonie Winfield BUF
87 Samari Rolle TEN
86 Nate Clements BUF
86 RW McQuarters CHI
86 Deltha O'Neal DEN
86 Marcus Coleman HOU
86 Chad Scott PIT
86 Ahmed Plummer SF
85 Duane Starks ARI
85 Donnie Abraham NYJ
84 Al Harris GB
84 Will Allen NYG
84 Will Allen NYG
84 Quinten Jammer SD
84 Fred Smoot WAS
83 Dre Bly DET
83 Dewayne Washington PIT
82 Tyrone Williams ATL
82 Derek Ross DAL
82 Terrance Newman DAL
82 Fernando Bryant JAC
82 Fred Thomas NO
82 Patrick Buchanon OAK
81 Otis Smith NE
81 Will Peterson NYG
81 Aaron Beasley NYJ
80 Ray Buchanan ATL
80 Gary Baxter BAL
80 Daylon McCutheon CLE
80 Mario Edwards DAL
80 Ashley Ambrose NO
79 Jerry Azumah CHI
79 Eric Warfield KC
79 Ken Lucas SEA
78 Artrell Hawkins CIN
78 Anthony Henry CLE
78 Marcus Trufant SEA
77 Todd Cousin CAR
77 Tory James CIN
77 Jeff Burris CIN
77 Jason Webster SF
77 Alex Molden WAS
76 Walt Harris IND
76 Dexter McCleon KC
76 Ray Mickens NYJ
76 Sheldon Brown PHI
75 Terrance Shaw OAK
75 Lito Sheppard PHI
74 Reggie Howard CAR
74 Tay Cody SD
74 Andre Woolfork TEN
73 David Barrett ARI
73 Jason Craft JAC
72 Chris Cash DET
72 Ken Irvin MIN
71 Travis Fisher STL
69 David Macklin IND
69 Willie Offord MIN
67 Jimmy Spencer DEN
66 Ralph Brown NYG

S:
99 Brian Dawkins PHI
98 Darren Sharper GB
98 Lawyer Milloy NE
96 Rod Woodson OAK
96 John Lynch TB
94 Darren Woodson DAL
94 Rodney Harrison NE
92 Shaun Williams NYG
91 Mike Brown CHI
91 Robert Griffith CLE
91 Lance Shulters TEN
90 Ed Reed BAL
90 Roy Williams DAL
90 Ryan McNeil SD
90 Tony Parrish SF
89 Brock Marion MIA
88 Sam Knight MIA
88 Adam Archuletta STL
87 Adrian Wilson ARI
87 Donavan Darius JAC
87 Tebucky Jones NO
87 Kwame Lassiter SD
85 Mike Minter CAR
85 Reggie Tongue SEA
85 Dwight Smith TB
83 Dexter Jackson ARI
82 Corey Fuller BAL
82 Greg Wesley KC
82 Michael Lewis PHI
82 Jason Sehorn STL
82 Kim Herring STL
82 Tank Williams TEN
81 Marlon McCree JAC
81 Zack Bronson SF
80 Deon Grant CAR
80 Bracey Walker DET
80 Corey Chavous MIN
79 Cory Wire BUF
79 Idrees Bashir IND
78 Pierson Prioleau BUF
78 Izell Reese BUF
78 Kenoy Kennedy DEN
78 Maques Anderson GB
78 Derrick Gibson OAK
78 Troy Polamalu PIT
78 Matt Bowen WAS
78 Ifeanyi Ohalete WAS
77 Keon Carpenter ATL
77 Mike Green CHI
77 Mark Roman CIN
76 Cory Hall ATL
76 Lee Flowers DEN
76 Sam Garnes NYJ
75 Omar Soutmire NYG
74 Rogers Beckett CIN
74 Mike Doss IND
74 Brent Alexander PIT
73 Jerome Woods KC
73 Damien Robinson SEA
72 Earl Little CLE
71 Matt Stevens HOU
71 Eric Brown HOU
70 Jay Bellamy NO
69 Mel Mitchel NO
69 Jon McGraw NYJ
54 Woodrow Danzler DAL

K:
99 Adam Vinatieri NE
98 David Akers PHI
95 Orlindo Mare MIA
95 Martin Gramatica TB
93 Matt Stover BAL
93 Mike Vanderjact IND
90 Paul Edinger CHI
P:
98 Todd Sauerbrun CAR
95 Brad Maynard CHI
95 Chris Hanson JAC
94 Scott Player ARI
94 Sean Lechler OAK

[gamevet]

I'm really surprised Kurt Warner is'nt rated higher. He's had one of the highest quarterback ratings in NFL history.

[Joust Williams]

"Fucking fair weather fans."

I hate that about sports. Like they say, "The real basketball fans in LA root for the Clippers."

"He's had one of the highest quarterback ratings in NFL history."

He was also the beneficiary of one of the best receiving corps of all time. Anyway, last year was a fluke, I think. He'll be back to his accurate, intelligent self.

The Seahawks fan in me says both Hasselbeck and K. Robinson will outperform those ratings this year. Hasselbeck really matured over the last half of last year, and Robinson benefitted greatly from it.