Elite Gamer
The brains behind electronic rock group Nine Inch Nails. He's quite a talented musician.Originally Posted by Master of 7s
Sausage-in-training
OMFG I INSULTED TEH id!!11!
Sorry, but I haven't seen anything but "OMG SCARY BOO! LOL" and some severely lacking graphic design from Doom 3. id's good at the atmosphere and run-n-gun thing, but I don't see them delivering anything on the level Valve's demonstrated with HL2.
That's my opinion, and I'm sticking to it til id can demonstrate otherwise.
adventurous ball in giddy maze
I don't disagree. id's been in decline since Quake 1, IMO. Maybe their single-player game improved a bit with Quake II, but multiplayer got worse. Then they threw the single player aspect away for Quake III, but QIII didn't rule the multiplayer scene like it was supposed to, thanks to CS and the (mostly superior, IMO) UT.
Given this track record, I don't see how we can reasonably expect much more than a relatively slow-playing, very pretty, uninspired run'n'gun out of Doom III. Perhaps the DM test at Quakecon next week will shed some light on how fast and smoothly it actually plays.
Orz
Ok, lemme see here.
Doom - Run and gun
Doom 2 - Run and gun
Quake - Run and gun
Quake 2 - Run and gun
Quake 3 - Run and gun
For you to expect Doom 3 to be anything else is just plain silly. However, that doesn't mean that the game can't be good. id has some of the best game design in the buisness. . . period.
I just don't understand the concept of "Quake I multiplayer > either Q2 or Q3". The original Quake is much faster paced when played online, but the weapon balance is terrible. And don't you dare compare CS to Quake 3. CS is one of the shittiest FPS out there. UT, Q3, hell, Extreme Paintbrawl run circles around it. The only thing good about it is the level design. The guns are terrible, the hit-detection is flawed, and it's SWARMING WITH MORONS.
And you fault Q3 for "throwing away" single-player, yet you list UT as "mostly superior". The last time I checked, both games have no traditional single-player games. UT has better team-based multiplayer, but traditional deathmatch is much more balanced with Quake 3. So depending on your tastes, the games are just about equal.
Now, I'm looking forward to HL2 just as much as the next guy. Valve has a lot of talent and it shows, but if you're going to make fun of Doom 3 in favor of it, please, at least try and be creative instead of "Or just say 'screw this' and go back to HL2. But that will probably happen regardless of who does the soundtrack." Call it gay, or something.
adventurous ball in giddy maze
When you call CS one of the shittiest FPS games out there, do you really expect to be taken seriously? I'm not a big fan of it or anything, but when you say things like that you come off as an id fanboy.
The reason I said UT was mostly superior to Q3 was its innovation, forward-thinkingness (mutators, for example) and excellent team games. Single player didn't factor into it at all.
LMK if you ever see me call something gay.
Orz
"UT, Q3, hell, Extreme Paintbrawl run circles around it."
How in the hell am I an id fanboy?
I know it's a pretty extreme thing to say when something like 90% of all FPS games being played are CS, but come on, it's a terrible game.
Hard Rock Save the Space
Comparing Quake III Arena on Dreamcast to Unreal Tournament PS2 / Unreal Championship Xbox, I'd have to say Quake III is easily the winner
Sausage-in-training
Everything about UT is better than Q3(except for graphical detail). UT feels smoother, doesn't look like the FPS equivalent of Mortal Kombat, has much nicer atmosphere, cooler weapons, better music, superior level design and the gameplay has much more strategy to it. I like Q3 a lot but it's not in the same league as UT.
Good call, no one likes unwanted pregnancy.Trent Reznor pulls out of DOOM III.
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