Could Bush Lose It?

[Saint of Killers]

About the economy here at home?

Tax cuts, interest rate cuts, tariffs....etc

Tax cuts aren't going to make big difference in the end. Might as well just sit back and let the economy correct itself. If we want to jumpstart the economy we need a real war. None of this piddly three month shit taking on puffed up third world dictators. We need to start WWIII without nuclear weapons being involved somehow. That'll get the economy pumping.

Maybe we could declare war on homosexuals before they can build their giant laser beam to turn everyone else gay.

[Hero]

that's sarcasm, right?

Actually, there are people who believe (and historical backing to push) that the economy 'fixes' itself quicker when left to its own devices, rather than having the fed. jump in and 'fix' it. There's also evidence that would point to the contrary. To me, it makes enough sense that our market system could turn itself around, but I've always been optimistic, economically.

One example of fed. help interferring would be min. wage laws. *Gasp* NO, I don't think people deserve to be paid less...but on a deflation or before an inflation takes full effect, you could curb the length of time by lowering min. wage. To an employee, this sounds like getting paid less, but it terms of actual worth of the dollar, you 'save' the exchange rate by keeping money circulation down. At least that's how my Bush-hating econ professor put it - and I agreed wholehearted. Because logically, it makes sense.

Yet back to here and now...one of the knee-jerk reactions to financial woes is to raise min. wage. If people just 'feel' that min. wage isn't enough, that would be push enough for another hike to pass. No matter if it's actually economically sound to the market as a whole, or the individual. Just one reason I don't think the gov. fixes economy better than it could on its own. But its something the people want, and something the politicians pander to. No matter about learning enough about the market for individuals to understand it and work to really help it. Normally, it's all about the individual's experience. If they 'feel' they aren't making the money they deserve, that's enough to get their vote for any legislation that could promise more money in their pocket. Welfare aid, higher min. wage, tax cuts (*gasp*)....

But now I went on a complete tangent ^^;

[rezo]

that's sarcasm, right?

It was an opa reference. See,opa thought that the gay people might develop a ray to make everyone else gay. If everyone else was gay, then they would be equal, and that's what they really want. Isn't it?

[Melf]

It was an opa reference. See,opa thought that the gay people might develop a ray to make everyone else gay. See, if everyone else was gay, then they would be equal, and that's what they really want. Isn't it?

You have got to be fucking kidding me? That's a true story?

Democrats are going to bash Bush. It's what the opposition does. You can't expect Bush to go on about Bin Laden, Saddam, WMDs, etc and not expect the Democrats to call him on it.

[youandwhosearmy]

It truly depends, in my opinion, on whether the collective IQ of the country is low enough to still be awed by the distractions the republicans had tried to put in place to make us believe that what he has done with his agenda is more important than the utter ignorance he has displayed with is homeland policies.

It also depends on how well the other parties can shake the countries preconcieved notions that the war was good, and the way we are dealing with is equally good.

[DOVESKI]

I will go to great lengths to defend anything Bill Clinton did with Monica Lewinsky. Nobody can convince me that he was wrong to lie.

Hmmmm....lying about receiving a hummer from a fat intern or deceiving a nation through scare tactics into going to war, getting thosands of folks killed (no longer here on this planet) for his rich fat cat oil mafia buddies...yup...big difference. Just a thought.

Unless there is another "terrorist" act, that only Bush can "save" us from before Nov2004, I dont see Bush winning, honest opinion. He's becoming real transparent.

[spacecowboy]

Hmmmm....lying about receiving a hummer from a fat intern or deceiving a nation through scare tactics into going to war, getting thosands of folks killed (no longer here on this planet) for his rich fat cat oil mafia buddies...yup...big difference. Just a thought.

Unless there is another "terrorist" act, that only Bush can "save" us from before Nov2004, I dont see Bush winning, honest opinion. He's becoming real transparent.

I like the way you think and to me you make absolute sense, but I think I have to go with youandwhosearmy on this one. This really all depends on whether the American public will wake up and see what's going on and whether Democrats will make light of these facts or squander them by trying to beat Bush on issues.

SC

[Dripdry]

Is our Bushy losing it? Will he win the election...
this might explain a few things:
http://www.msnbc.com/news/943879.asp?0si=-

[DOVESKI]

Be afraid, be very afraid.....

[NightWolve]

I understand it's the triumphant tone you're objecting to, but they're an opposition party. What should they be saying? They wouldn't be serving democracy otherwise.

You can dignify it with "democracy" all you want, but it's nothing more than bitter partisan politics by hacks. I objected to it after 9-11 and continue to today as well. It's offensive and aggravating. Sure, they've got a right to do it (behaving like little children in the process), but they've got a right to be called on it and hated for it - just like the rest of the Bush-haters.

Why are you asking me what should they be saying? You mean you want me to like their crap/tactics, too? And celebrate it as just another day in our diverse democracy? Um, I don't think so... Akin to listening to a bunch of Almacis spewing rhetoric and fighting for power is not something I'm going to celebrate. I responded to Calliander's question of "whether they'll be able to draw enough attention to it" with my view that that's all they've been doing and I'm tired of it already. Or at least, their tactics.

If they want more appeal, they might try following up their complaining by providing a solution; there's plenty of complainers already. It's telling me the obvious, like saying: Bin Landen is MIA... Well great genius, but the next step, if you're gonna complain about it, is, what are YOU gonna do about it if elected? Are they willing to go as far as ordering troops to cross over into Pakistan? Fuck if I know, cause they don't got a damn thing to say about it after that. And the record of democrats for the past 2 administrations isn't so hot when it comes to terrorism, so I dunno what they think they could do now... Doesn't provide for a very convincing argument to just sit there and proclaim you hate Bush. Well, I hate Bush-haters, so that makes it pretty easy for me...

Plus, what I object to the most is that it relies on failure (the strategy is to hope for a bad economy, and terrorists NOT being found) and at such a critical time in our history; to drive that point home and not provide a solution is to count on failure. It's this mentality that I'm getting, that, "Oh sure, finding Bin Laden would be great for the military, the country, the morale, the war on terrorism, etc., but on the other hand, it might drive Bush's approval rating back up which wouldn't be good, so let's hope it doesn't quite happen just yet..." I've gathered there are Bush-haters that DON'T want him found (there are some that believe he's innocent) or would prefer it after an election to avoid a job-approval rating spike. Hell, I do remember a poster in here that was almost doubly pissed at the 9-11 terrorists for making Bush popular... But that's just so damn pathetic and offensive; It's what I see in them and alot of other liberals... You even had a democratic senator at one point claiming Bush knew of the 9-11 attacks in advance and allowed them to happen for a "power grab." I'm not gonna pass off that crap so easily... "Opposition party" doesn't even begin to describe it. But hey, they wouldn't be serving "democracy" else otherwise... I never thought of it that way...

And to be fair, is that really any more annoying than the carping opposition-republicans offered up? Unless you think Ken Starr was being perfectly reasonable whenever he mentioned Clinton's "grave moral injustice".

I think whining is just a function of politics in general.

I find whining/bitterness/bitching of this magnitude, the kind that I saw after 9-11 and to this day, to be annoying and disgraceful. Great, so you hate Ken Starr and those republicans; not sure what that has to do with these democrats and their behavior up to this point unless it's supposed to be some kind of revenge. I do not know the level or magnitude of carping that occured then, so I won't be able to follow your "equating" of the two situations... I only have the behavior of both democrats (along with other liberals) and republicans to go by after 9-11 and apply my own virulent hatred based on what I saw... But, if some have a chip on their shoulders about their beloved Clinton and how Bush "stole" the election, that's fine; they shouldn't vote for republicans then.

It seems your usual response to criticism of democrats is to switch to republicans, thereby minimizing criticism against them in the first place. That's fine, but fair? I don't think I've ever seen you jump in to defend criticism of republicans by attempting to equate their behavior with democrats. But I have seen you jump in to equate Bush to Hilter like the rest of the hard left. Oh right, it's just "saying" though. I guess I should learn ways to equate partisan left-wing types whose views I disagree with to Stalin and see how well that goes over. Really, I wouldn't consider smearing someone by equating them to a dictator that exterminated millions to be "hate-speech." So, um no, I'm not gonna learn about "fair" from you.

Actually, what the fuck do you expect the Democrats to do?
Just forget on all those promises and claims made by Bush wich he didnt fulfill?
Get real, Bush said he would get Saddam and Bin Laden death or alive and they claimed they knew exactly where the WMD´s were at etcetera, didnt provide the goods so its fair game to bring up those isseus.

I expect...and hope for them to lose!!! Along with more Senate seats... But they'll continue to do exactly what you've been doing Belgium; nothing noble or unusual about it... The disgraceful and bitter snickering manner that they do it in says it all. But, if I was objective about it, I'd expect them to provide a solution instead of, "Well, there's a definitely a problem here...it's BUSH... I'm NOT Bush, and we need regime-change, so vote for me!!! Booya!!" If I would ever even remotely consider voting for a democrat, that simply doesn't sell well with me... But, it's true, all they gotta do is sit back and pray for more failure... They need higher job losses, higher casualties in Iraq, and Laden/Saddam/WMDs to remain unfound; and then, they can try to sell the case of "Well, if we were in charge, this wouldn't have happened... Vote for us! Booya!!" Granted, that'll work with some, to be sure.

Only one I can respect is Joe Lieberman who voted for the war and doesn't now act like he's suffering from amnesia about it. You can also say Howard Dean's been consistent, but I find his shear arrogance and the Michael Moore bomb-throwing he was doing early on a turn-off. I don't even know where to begin with Al Sharpton... He seems to get the most laughs though, which is unfortunate, considering what he respresents. Gotta admit, I do get a laugh out of his, "I'm conservative; I wanna conserve civil rights..." line...

Well, what the fuck do you care anyway? Oh right, it's your job to stick your nose into US politics and affairs because you love the US... Well, listen to maruchan, there's no difference between republicans and democrats after all... So, I'm not exactly sure why'd you rush in now to defend them. A far left-wing guy like you defending a "right-wing" democratic party? Somethin' suspicious about that... What, the enemy of my enemy is my friend? They hate Bush, you hate Bush, so it's all good then? I mean, really, we have the NY Times and Hollywood Dixie chicks for this kind of criticism... I'm not sure how having candidates who only complain answers what they're actually gonna do about it. There're already plenty of bitches complaining and making snide remarks. *ahem*