Could Bush Lose It?

[spacecowboy]

You can dignify it with "democracy" all you want, but it's nothing more than bitter partisan politics by hacks. I objected to it after 9-11 and continue to today as well. It's offensive and aggravating. Sure, they've got a right to do it (behaving like little children in the process), but they've got a right to be called on it and hated for it - just like the rest of the Bush-haters.

Why are you asking me what should they be saying? You mean you want me to like their crap/tactics, too? And celebrate it as just another day in our diverse democracy? Um, I don't think so... Akin to listening to a bunch of Almacis spewing rhetoric and fighting for power is not something I'm going to celebrate. I responded to Calliander's question of "whether they'll be able to draw enough attention to it" with my view that that's all they've been doing and I'm tired of it already. Or at least, their tactics.

That is the biggest load of crap I have ever heard. Republicans are just as guilty, if not more, of partisan politics. That's the entire Republican concept: To be opposed to anything Democrats do, no matter how good of an idea it may be. This happens for every President. So quit making ridiculous statements trying to point the finger of blame at Democrats for how crappy this country has become during the last 4 years.

SC

[NightWolve]

That is the biggest load of crap I have ever heard. Republicans are just as guilty, if not more, of partisan politics. That's the entire Republican concept: To be opposed to anything Democrats do, no matter how good of an idea it may be. This happens for every President. So quit making ridiculous statements trying to point the finger of blame at Democrats for how crappy this country has become during the last 4 years.

SC

Pffffft... Yeah right, that's the democrat model. I'll still hate 'em for the crap that I've witnessed since 9-11 and I'll never vote for that party. This doesn't tell me shit. I've watched media daily since that time, it's always them bickering like bitches endlessly and takin' snipes along with the help of partisan media. I'll take the lesser of two evils, and from what I saw, that's the republican party. You hate republicans? Well great, I hate democrats (liberal ones). No, that doesn't express it well, I fuckin' hate their guts; they make me SICK... But if republicans used the same kinds of comparable tactics in the past, as you say (which I highly doubt could ever even compare to post 9-11 behavior), I'd condemn it too. I hate it all the same. Watching their antics is what made me polarized from my frame of reference when the attacks occured. And yeah, once I realized they're the left-wing of the system, it added to the hate.

[Melf]

Pffffft... Yeah right, that's the democrat model. I'll still hate 'em for the crap that I've witnessed since 9-11 and I'll never vote for that party. This doesn't tell me shit. I've watched media daily since that time, it's always them bickering like bitches endlessly and takin' snipes along with the help of partisan media. I'll take the lesser of two evils, and from what I saw, that's the republican party. You hate republicans?

..the help of partisan media? Who told you that? I know. It was probably Bill O'Reilly, Newt Gingrich, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Michael Savage, Pat Buchanon, Monica Crowley, Ollie North, G. Gordon Liddy, Ann Coutler, and Joe Scarborough.

Well great, I hate democrats (liberal ones). No, that doesn't express it well, I fuckin' hate their guts; they make me SICK... But if republicans used the same kinds of comparable tactics in the past, as you say (which I highly doubt could ever even compare to post 9-11 behavior), I'd condemn it too. I hate it all the same. Watching their antics is what made me polarized from my frame of reference when the attacks occured. And yeah, once I realized they're the left-wing of the system, it added to the hate.

I don't condone the acts of many leftists since 9/11 but you cannot say it's any worse than impeaching a president for getting a blowjob.

I've noticed that many Republicans are outraged by the fact that so many people question what Bush does. How dare you question him! How dare you disagree! You must be a tree hugging socialist! Give me a fucking break. I think we have a right to get as anal about WMDs as you did about a blue dress.

The right in this country has to wake up and realize that they are not the only ideology in America. People disagree with them ( and at an alarmingly growing rate, according to Bush's approval ratings). They feel they're free to do whatever they want and then accuse the Democrats of whing when they're called on those actions. Should the Democrats whine less? Yes. But you can't expect them to stay silent about a war not everyone agrees on, soldiers dying daily, a shitty economy, and shady dealings in the Administration of Secrecy. Wait! If someone whines about it, the American people might hear them! If I fucked up America like Bush has, I'd want people to shut up too.

[spacecowboy]

I couldn't have said it better myself Melf.

BTW, I don't hate Republicans, not like you hate Democrats. I just get tired of their holier-than-thou facade. Democrats are just as bad, but to say that Republicans are innocent of the same ploys is stupid.

I think I liked this line the best:

I think we have a right to get as anal about WMDs as you did about a blue dress.

SC

[gamevet]

The government just needs to spend less, is all it comes down to. It's alot of people's fault that the government is going further and further into debt, but none so much as the democrats, imo.

Everyone seems to forget, that we are at war. It cost's money and during times of war, companies and investors take a more conservative route. The same thing happened with Bush senior. We were at war with Iraq and the economy flattened because of it.

[spacecowboy]

Everyone seems to forget, that we are at war. It cost's money and during times of war, companies and investors take a more conservative route. The same thing happened with Bush senior. We were at war with Iraq and the economy flattened because of it.

War? Please. We're not in any war. If that's what you call that thing over in Iraq, then definition of war has a very loose meaning. We haven't found Saddam or any WMD and now that people are beginning to see through Bush, more people are starting to question our involvement and what it all means. What pisses me off is that no matter what happens, we can't just up and leave Iraq. We're in this thing for the long haul. Long after Bush is gone from office, future president's are going to have to deal with this convoluted mess that he has gotten the US into.

So if this is a time of war and according to you, the economy suffers during war, then our country will be in the shitter for at least the next decade. Because we aren't going to be finished with this for awhile. In the meantime, Americans will continue to get the shaft here at home since our government doesn't know what they're doing.

SC

[Almaci]

Gee look at how this thread got derailed, and I had little iff anything to do with it.

Oh and Nightwolve, they dont come much more narrowminded then you do they?

[Calliander]

Gee look at how this thread got derailed, and I had little iff anything to do with it.

I expected more of you, man. You've let me down.

[Almaci]

Merely respecting the thread starters wishes.

[NightWolve]

..the help of partisan media? Who told you that? I know. It was probably Bill O'Reilly, Newt Gingrich, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Michael Savage, Pat Buchanon, Monica Crowley, Ollie North, G. Gordon Liddy, Ann Coutler, and Joe Scarborough. I don't condone the acts of many leftists since 9/11 but you cannot say it's any worse than impeaching a president for getting a blowjob.

Hardy har har... It came from the horse's mouth; Listening to Daschle, Pelosi, other Senators, the candidates, C-SPAN, liberal Bush-haters (plus NYTimes hit-pieces) going at it and analyzing what they say and how they say it... You do actually have to have visible evidence, ya know. But yeah, I know and watch some of those who you mentioned... Glad you're up on who in the media is conservative... Laugh at what you want, I never found that shit funny after a disaster like that.

Again, I don't care about the impeachment; I never fuckin' voted for it or paid any attention to it back then... I'm not apart of Hillary's vast fuckin' right-wing conspiracy to impeach his ass...ok? Get over it! However, it does not mean every single damn time someone criticizes democrats you immediately jump in and say, "Oh, the impeachment of Clinton...HYPOCRISY!" so that friggin' nullifies everything... NO, IT DOESN'T... They're not gonna worm themselves out of any ounce of criticism by simply crying fowl every single time. Nobody's gonna be eternally blocked from calling them out simply because of a referral to Clinton, Monica's fat ass and what the republicans did.

Look at this thread; you came in along with SC and immediately responded with the Clinton issue and the republicans... I've seen StriderKyo do the same in other threads the moment anyone dares to show hypocrisy or partisanship on the democratic side; but you jump for joy with the Bush hit-pieces... What??? What does that mean, exactly? That Democrats are free from criticism from now till kingdom come? What? Have you ever defended republicans by saying, "Oh look, the democrats did that, so it's nullified!! NEENER NEENER NEENER!"? I think not.

I've noticed that many Republicans are outraged by the fact that so many people question what Bush does. How dare you question him! How dare you disagree! You must be a tree hugging socialist! Give me a fucking break. I think we have a right to get as anal about WMDs as you did about a blue dress.

I don't give a flying fuck about a blue dress , that's your hangup on Clinton. I'm in a post 9-11 world looking at a democratic senator or rep (whatever she was) claiming Bush knew in advance of the 9/11 attacks and knowingly let them happen to make himself popular... The first time the WTC was attacked, did a republican accuse Clinton of knowingly letting it happen? No. But, accusing Bush of knowingly allowing the WTC attack to proceed and hence the death and destruction it caused is way out there. Accusing him of wanting Americans dead is utter bullshit and far worse... Then you had the whole smear campaign of his cabinet (except for Colin Powell, he's under the liberal shield since he's black) about the neo-con take-over; the Bush is Hilter/Mousilini crap; the slogans, "BUSH RUSH PUSH FOR WAR!" The rest of the snide remarks; A feeling of hatred by the Left (democrats included), that since Americans had an emotional attachment to Bush, a need to destroy it as quickly and as dirty as possible warranted an all out assault. All that shit got to me, I wasn't imagining it...

Anyway, I never said things like "How dare you!" and if I ever do, it's after analyzing someone's position to understand their motivation... Is there anger in their voice and are they a known liberal? Is it revenge for Clinton? Is it simply pure hatred for Bush due to his religion and other views? Is it honest-to-goodness pacifism? I have to listen to what's being said and the manner in which it's being said... You don't arrive at any of those conclusions without merit... You got me and others confused with someone who simply throws out the label in a knee-jerk reaction... Or you seem to think everyone blanket labels someone like that. Look how far you went into putting me into your box of supporting Clinton's impeachment and being anal about a blue friggin' dress.

As for WMDs, lemme ask you, would you like them to be found? Or, would you like them to remain hidden, to make Bush seem more of a liar and thus have less chances of winning?? We can both agree we don't wanna have America's credibility be shot down and have Saddam appear to have been telling the truth all along... See, those that carp on that issue and hate Bush, are objectively counting on WMDs never to be found. The same goes for Bin Laden and Saddam... You can't escape the fact that when you point that out, in order for the criticism to remain valid up until it's time to vote, you need them not to be found... You need the MILITARY to fail in those missions... I have an issue with that... And it doesn't have a damn thing to do with Clinton and the mysterious blue dress... See how that works?

The right in this country has to wake up and realize that they are not the only ideology in America.

Who said anything about this? Did I? You're lumping me in with somebody else... That's ridiculous. "They don't know other ideologies exist..." Riiiight.

People disagree with them ( and at an alarmingly growing rate, according to Bush's approval ratings). They feel they're free to do whatever they want and then accuse the Democrats of whing when they're called on those actions. Should the Democrats whine less? Yes. But you can't expect them to stay silent about a war not everyone agrees on, soldiers dying daily, a shitty economy, and shady dealings in the Administration of Secrecy. Wait! If someone whines about it, the American people might hear them! If I fucked up America like Bush has, I'd want people to shut up too.

This is bs, and not at all what I was talkin' about. I always see this... You wanna lump EVERYONE who disagrees with Bush to be an honest to goodness concerned American... I don't care about someone that's a true pacifist; that doesn't have a grudge or axe to grind against Bush; that simply and honestly believed there was a better way to handle things... I have no reason to hate them; there's simply an ideological difference of an opinion... But, you wanna go off on a tangeant about ppl not being able to speak their minds and freedom of speech, blah blah...

I'm only looking at those with the axe to grind that are driven by mere hatred of Bush; That didn't have a problem with Clinton bombing Iraq, invading Kosovo/Bosnia etc.; Candidates that voted for this war and now act like they have amnesia all of a sudden... Congress approved this war... It's not "republicans" get to do whatever they want... Don't forget that...

I mentioned their carping on "You can't find Bin Laden, Saddam, WMDs.." Ok, well great... So, what next? I'm looking at an evident formula where if it's a failure, it's Bush's fault, but if it's success, suddenly it's only thanks to our proud military men/women (which it is). This was evident when Uday and Qusay were killed and they tried to down play Bush and credit our military for their work... So, if they remained unfound, it's "Bush can't find 'em", if not, "our military did fine work." What gives? I don't got a right to call 'em on that? Our military is doing the work, they're failing, but I don't friggin' see the need to transpose failure on Bush, and then success on the military... If they're gonna do that, they should tell us how they would've commanded the military differently to have ensured the finding of Bin Laden, Saddam, etc... Otherwise, as I stated originally, it's just cheap partisan hack politics.

I don't expect them to stay silent, they're not; I would expect them to actually list a solution instead of being the geniuses to point out, "Well, we really got problem here..." If that's all they're gonna do, and that's their message, I'm gonna call 'em on it... Whining is whining... Point out a solution and you'll go alot further. But hey, they get to whine, act like they would've done a better job, and I get to despise 'em for it.

Oh and Nightwolve, they dont come much more narrowminded then you do they?

Oh crud, you pulled out the narrowminded card... That must mean you're an example of "open-mindedness." And if one should strive to be more "open-minded," that would mean being more like you ... So, um... I'll take narrowminded as a compliment thank you very much

BTW, I don't hate Republicans, not like you hate Democrats. I just get tired of their holier-than-thou facade. Democrats are just as bad, but to say that Republicans are innocent of the same ploys is stupid.

I never said republicans are innocent; I criticized what I saw and hate in democrats since 9-11... Kyo felt I didn't have any reason to have grudge against them (again, because somehow the republicans balance it out), and I explained why... You have a grudge against republicans on the impeachment... Fairy enough. But, don't eternally block any criticism of democrats by simply saying, "NO! It's the republicans fault! Remember Clinton?"