Why are old school RPGs held in such high esteem?

[Drewbacca]

I wasn't trying to hurt your feelings, that is why I said I didn't want to get personal right at the beginning of that post. I only brought it up because you were making quite a big deal about your "Industry" experience. I don't think you are operating within the industry unless you are getting paid to do it. You get paid to work at Pizza Hut, not to make games, so you are an amateur game designer. I play pool sometimes, but I don't try to comment upon the professional billiards tournament scene.

JM

Pool is a hobby though. And if you played pool alot more then I did, I'd probably take what you had to say seriously.

Also, there is more to the industry then earning money for it. Mech Deus asked, that's how it happened. Like it or not, think it's a snobbish attitude, or what have you, it doesn't matter.
Students and the game makers of tomorrow are learning the trade through practical experience, there are only a handful of game schools in the world.

I'd really like to get back to this Final Fantasy thing though. You seem pretty civil, JM, how about you explain to me through this simple scenario what's different about Final Fantasy 3 and X, gameplay wise:

Kill an IMP. What do you have to do with the Final Fantasy X's gameplay.
and
Kill an IMP. What do you have to do with the Final Fantasy X's gameplay.

I think the way you attack them will be similar in the end. (like talk through what you'd do)

[Gutsman]

Games can be so many different things to different people. Everyone interprets the gaming experience differently. That's why I think it's silly to try to nail down a concrete definition of what "gameplay" is.

Anyways, to get back to the original topic: PS2 is held in high esteem because Nei is cute, Phoenix Rie's world design was fantastic, and anime style character designs rock.

[Drewbacca]

I play pool sometimes, but I don't try to comment upon the professional billiards tournament scene.

JM

That's flawed. You've all had experience playing games. A better and more accurate analogy would be that you have experience building the queue's and table, and can tell me the different components that are on the table that make up the game.

[voltz]

PS2 is held in high esteem because Nei is cute, Phoenix Rie's world design was fantastic, and anime style character designs rock.

FFVII as I recall, is held in it's high esteem thanks to Tifa being there for something we can stare at. (teh boobies! )

I tend to like older RPG's pre 16bit because of how they were simple and based on basic design.

[Drewbacca]

Games can be so many different things to different people. Everyone interprets the gaming experience differently. That's why I think it's silly to try to nail down a concrete definition of what "gameplay" is.

Anyways, to get back to the original topic: PS2 is held in high esteem because Nei is cute, Phoenix Rie's world design was fantastic, and anime style character designs rock.

No, Lhadatt hit it. See back a page for my response.

[MechDeus]

Care to tell me what I made up, though, Mech Deus? I notice you never give direct examples with your accusations.

You didn't notice because you're unable to read. I gave a direct example and very clearly pointed it out in that very post, let alone all the other times I did so.

My definition and what you have been saying are two totally different things.

This needs to be repeated. Multiple times.

Andrew: You have no clue what you're talking about, that much you've proved. Saying you've worked on non-existant games will not give you some mystical power by which we automatically accept your word. John Romero has worked on more games with more success then you'll probably even dream of, and hardly anyone takes his word seriously anymore. Getting proved wrong and then saying you said things earlier when you didn't and saying other people said things when they didn't only helps to take away from any pull your words might have had, not add to as you seem to believe.

The reason there was so much from multiple people regarding your English skills is because you keep saying people haven't said things they have while simultaneously creating non-sensical sentences. If you're going to ignore most of what is written then don't bother trying to say things weren't brought up, because you're not paying enough attention even to posts you're currently responding to to tell what they said.

Remember, there's a huge difference between poor grammar and complete lack of knowledge. Johnpv has the former, in which he can use 1/4 the words of anyone else, misspell most of them, not use any punctuation, and yet still perfectly convey the same idea with little to no confusion on anyone's part. Please try to learn the difference, and maybe then you'll finally figure out where most of our remarks on your English stemmed from.

When you finally decide to actually read what people type and stop believing that your ideas are immediately Spoken Gospel because you have worked with a programming language and are thereby risen again, then perhaps you might finally realize that your precious Commandants are little more then a Golden Calf. My prayers go out to you.

We have explained everything we needed to and more and answered all your questions. Because of this, there really isn't any need for anyone to post anymore regarding Andrew because all he needs to do now is read. All the information is there, now you must learn how to understand it, young padawan.

*sigh* I never get any credit.

Considering everything else he's lied about to try and hurt my argument, is it any surprise he can't even remember what originally happened?

[Drewbacca]

I tend to like older RPG's pre 16bit because of how they were simple and based on basic design.

That sounds good. I'll just change my answer to that.

When Jeremy posts saying the exact same thing as the guy above him, he gets verbally assaulted. When somebody says something that somebody doesn't agree with, same treatment. Funny posting here at TNL. Seems the best thing to do is to nod in unison with the people around you.

Care to point out some examples, Mech Deus? I notice you don't like doing that very much. Or maybe you can just quote yourself so I can reread it like you tell me to do. Actually, you don't have to do that. You can just answer the question of how you'd go about killing that poor little imp. Sadly, I don't think that will happen.

Oh well. I've changed my answer so you don't have to be conflicted about what you know.

[MechDeus]

That sounds good. I'll just change my answer to that.

When Jeremy posts saying the exact same thing as the guy above him, he gets verbally assaulted. When somebody says something that somebody doesn't agree with, same treatment. Funny posting here at TNL. Seems the best thing to do is to nod in unison with the people around you.

I rather enjoy how everytime you get proved wrong you fall back on this comment.

Care to point out some examples, Mech Deus? I notice you don't like doing that very much. Or maybe you can just quote yourself so I can reread it like you tell me to do.

Thank you for proving my point. I stated in that post exactly where you could find an example.

[Drewbacca]

I rather enjoy how everytime you get proved wrong you fall back on this comment.

Proved wrong?

You say you have a point, yet you never state it.

You just argue with me. What is your point?

Final Fantasy 3 and X play as two separate games? Well then why didn't you answer my question?

[MechDeus]

Actually, you don't have to do that. You can just answer the question of how you'd go about killing that poor little imp. Sadly, I don't think that will happen.

I'm rather enjoying your constant additions to this post. In any case, that too proves my point as it was answered earlier by someone else.