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[ssbomberman]

Despair, we don't really notice the quick cuts because we are so used to Hk cinema -- the KB cuts were actually very well done and not nearly as severe as many recent HK cinema, such as Naked Weapon, which went from wind up to impact without the motions in between. These were impact shots, showing exactly what needed to be show.

As for the pacing -- it was fine for me, because it offered me something unique. I prefer to learn more about the villains before the main star, it's interesting that way and we also learn about Uma through the other characters and her interactions with them. It's just an alternate way to tell a story that many of us aren't used to in film work, but you see it a lot more in literature. Perhaps we will never get her backstory and instead only glean what we can from her enemies and her interactions with them.

I thought the anime scene was outstanding and had Production I.G. written all over it. I could have watched an entire movie in that style. The animation was very fluid and unique -- I.G. does that -- it experiments, if you've scene the recetn Kai Doh Maru, Sakura Wars, or Blood, etc...the styles are very different, it keeps things interesting and the transition was great, I almost forgot I was watching an anime segment...

I think you guys are missing a major point of the film -- Uma is not trying to hide her lack of skills with certain weapons, they are clearly celebrated. She is not an expert samurai or a knife fighter, this made clear in the dialogues between both villains...it is her pure vengeance that is allowing her to kill these people without dying. It has nothing to do with grace, pure vegeance. O-Ren says she does not fight like a samurai, and in the fight with Vivica Uma quips that they can use knives if they want -- Uma doesn't care, she is going to kill them with whatever it takes. The fact that she chooses the weapons each of these people are masters in, is to simple rub it in when she kills them.

Well I am still calculating why the fight order was reversed, but it is clear that we know O-ren is dead when she goes to fight Vivica, because the notebook already has O-Ren's name crossed out. I am positive T has a reason for reversing the order and quite frankly it doesn't matter what we think, he's the one who's directing it -- it's his vision. Perhaps he is trying to be anti-climactic on purpose, after years of films that simply build to a climax -- as most Asian films do. There are so many possibilities as to why he could have done this, personally I have no problem with it, as it dispells any of the crap and gets right to the point -- we know O-ren is going to die, so he justifiably gives her enough backstory to balance out the fact that we know, and then Uma does her in.

As in most cases, people are going to like it and hate, it's a vision, an attempt and some people accept it while others don't. Personally, I found it interesting because it clings to convention while breaking it at the same time. This is not a remake of a 1970s kung fu or Japanese karate film -- but something new entirely. I especially liked the camera work and while I didn't mind the Matrix: Re either, I felt KB didn't directly just have Yuen Wo Ping choreograph everything. It's clear that he did act as a consultant and that not all the action scenes were something recycled from Yuen films we've scene before.

The fact that we are picking this film apart shows that there is something to the film, love it or hate, it makes us talk, and many of these crappy hi-gloss Hollywood action films fail in that department. Knowing this is a T film, means knowing it isn't necessarily about the action, but perhaps the elements that lead to that action, or maybe he is just messing with us, knowing what parts we are going to pick apart.

let the discussion continue...

[Dolemite]

I think you guys are missing a major point of the film -- Uma is not trying to hide her lack of skills, they are clearly celebrated. She is not a samurai or a knife fighter, this made clear in the dialogues between both villains...it is her pure vengeance that is allowing her to kill these people without dying.

Well, Uma's character quite clearly HAS skills...I mean, she was a member of an elite assassination group, and showed a mastery of swordfighting and unarmed fighting techniques. That wasn't what I was talking about with the fast cuts hiding her lack of fighting skills- I said they were hiding the actor's, Uma Thurman's, lack of real fighting abilities. It happens a lot in Hollywood action movies when they take an actor inexperienced in action movies, give them a few weeks of training and try to pass them off as a combat master. You don't see stuff like that as much in true Kung-Fu/fighting movies because these guys ARE masters and don't need to have their moves camouflaged.

[Despair]

Well, of course I think Vivica Fox was tougher than O-Ren. I SAID that. I just thought that SHOWING the more difficult fight with Fox first was a mistake. Usually you build up things in action movies and then have the toughest fight in the climax- the flow of the movie just tends to me much more effective that way, just like in the videogame example you said. The way Quniten did it would be like playing Street Fighter and fighting M. Bison in the first stage and then having the last boss being Dan.

Maybe I was a little too hard on the anime sequence. You have to admit that it looked like crap at first but as the scene went on, the quality of the animation picked up. And on the plus side, it was such a weird yet very very cool feeling to see anime on the big screen. Like I said, I might have been a tad critical...the part at the end, when O-Ren shot through the guy's head and the camera went through the hole, that was pretty cool.

Glad that you still liked it

I guess your brain works twice as fast as everyone else's.

Maybe Its just I see this type of remark is soo often, and many times about the films where I thought it was all just fine. I dont know

Personally, I thought FvJ was gorier, simply because the gore was far more realistic, as opposed to Kill Bill, where they seemed to go out of their way to make it look as campy and fake as possible. The blood spraying everywhere was funny, but it made you laugh, unlike FvJ, where it made you go "Oh, DAMN!!".

The approach in both was for more goofy/camp style of gore. Neither had really realistic gore fx, and I guess in KB it was done goofier.

Well, snappy dialogue IS what QT is known for, but I knew going in that the dialogue was toned down in this movie in favor of action. Still, what dialogue there was was just kinda bland. Vivica Fox must have called The Bride "bitch" 1,000,000 times in her 10 minutes of screen time. That was annoying.

I dont think QT planned KB to be a dialog written film, like PF was. Yeah, that kitchen conversation wasnt all that good, but there were alot of very cool dialog, like Sonny Chiba's sword musings.

See, Despair, I really don't buy that arguement. If you ask me, the fact that QT originally wrote Kill Bill as one movie and then split it in two at the last second is an even lamer excuse than what they did with the Matrix sequels. QT HAD the backstory for the Bride shot for Kill Bill, but he just decided to be stupid when he edited it into two movies and left the backstory to be revealed in Vol. 2. QT had one movie, and split it in half- something it was never conceptualized to be. So, he had to shoehorn all the shot footage into two seperate movies when what he should have done was just made the stand-alone movie he first envisioned and scripted. There's TONS of scenes he should have left on the cutting room floor- the pace and everything would have improved so much had he done that. The Matrix movies were made with the understanding from the beginning that they would be two seperate movies- they could have been good, but they got it wrong at the concept stage. Poor writing was the culprit in that case- they knew it would be two movies, and they fucked it up. QT decided to keep all the crap footage that most other directors would have cut out, and he ruined the pace completely. My friend that I saw the movie with actually had low expectations for it and he hated it just as much as I did, as did everyone sitting in the row behind us.

You will have to argue with QT on the fact which scenes should have been cut, and which not His reluctance to cut anything, led to the film split in the first place.

Personally, I don't understand how you can forgive Kill Bill for pretty much the same thing Reloaded did, not making a stand alone movie. Sure, the reasons each movie is the way it is are different, but the end result is pretty much the same. You Matrix hate is extreme, my friend. I can just assume that the acient Japanese Samurai/Chinese Kung-Fu movie vibe Kill Bill gave off appealed to you more. Actually, that was a main draw of Kill Bill for me as well...

Not Matrix D, just Reloaded. I have a feeling that I will like Revolutions. I explained that KB IS different from those films. And yes, I totally dig the atmosphere of Kill Bill, and its references.

Well, Uma's character quite clearly HAS skills...I mean, she was a member of an elite assassination group, and showed a mastery of swordfighting and unarmed fighting techniques. That wasn't what I was talking about with the fast cuts hiding her lack of fighting skills- I said they were hiding the actor's, Uma Thurman's, lack of real fighting abilities. It happens a lot in Hollywood action movies when they take an actor inexperienced in action movies, give them a few weeks of training and try to pass them off as a combat master. You don't see stuff like that as much in true Kung-Fu/fighting movies because these guys ARE masters and don't need to have their moves camouflaged.

Well, As of late it does sadly happen even in HK films. As the stars of old classic 80s films like Jackie Chan and others get older, the new wave of young actor hit the screens, and majority of them are not in any way trained martial artists. Watch recent HK films, and you will see the same thing you see here in US, movie stars and music stars taking the roles in action films, many without any formal training, and many dont even look as good as Thurman did in KB.

[Dolemite]

When I said "Matrix hatred", I meant to say "Reloaded hatred". I know you like the original.

And now you have 2 broken images in your sig. Fix them, dammit!

[Despair]

Sorry bout that. I will fix them later tonight

[Rumpy]

Matrix Revolutions could be so good that it'll make me shoot rainbow-colored turds out of my asshole, but it won't make me like Reloaded any more than I do now.

A lovely image Dole. For your sake I hope turds only exit your body through your ass, no matter the color

[stormy]

Well, As of late it does sadly happen even in HK films. As the stars of old classic 80s films like Jackie Chan and others get older, the new wave of young actor hit the screens, and majority of them are not in any way trained martial artists. Watch recent HK films, and you will see the same thing you see here in US, movie stars and music stars taking the roles in action films, many without any formal training, and many dont even look as good as Thurman did in KB.

and then there's Ong Bak

[Drewbacca]

No, it would not have.

If the black chick dies first, in the US.

Then she goes to Japan to kill LL, it ends the same way.

Now, she does get info from the one armed french chick, but they could just as easily move that conversation between her and bill until later.

Ending with that in the middle hardly seems like a major plot revelation, nor something along the lines of neo and trinity dying in the matrix.

She said the black chick was hard to find, though. While Cottonmouth wasn't because she had such a large profile.

[Despair]

and then there's Ong Bak

Ong-Bak is Thai film. But the quality of fights and stunt work is incredible.

[MVS]

Man, When QT wrote KB it was ONE WHOLE film, but later it was SPLIT in 2. Thus Vol 1 missing Bride back story, but it IS there. Its just in Vol 2 now. You cant really post criticism like this without seeing the whole story. Its not the case of Reloaded and Revolutions, which WERE written as 2 films. Tsk...

I don't agree.

All any movie can be judged on, is that movie alone.

Saying you are not fit to judge Kill Bill is like saying you can't judge any one Star Wars or Lord Of The Rings movie.

LOTR was written 3 books, and one overlapping story, and, while you have to see them all to get the full story, you can still form an opinon on FOTR, without knowing what happens at the end of ROTK.

Personally, I don't care if something is written as one movie and then split into 2 or 200 parts, each part, no matter if it's one single overall story or one interconnected one, should be judged only on it's quality, or lack thereof.

6/10.