Iran and WMDs

[spacecowboy]

I not up to speed on this and the only person I know who is current on these things is pretty biased so I'd like to see some sources on Iran's stances, in the past and currently of being against these two groups. Thanks.

To be honest, even I know very little about Iran's stance on such things. I do know that Iran was against the Taliban long before any American even knew who they were (not literally). I'll see if I can find some stuff on this.

SC

[Almaci]

Here is a link from 98: http://edition.cnn.com/WORLD/meast/9...afghan.border/

Iran's supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, aimed harsh words at Afghanistan's Taliban movement and neighboring Pakistan.

The fundamentalist Taliban on Thursday admitted killing the diplomats during the takeover of the northern Afghan city Mazar-i-Sharif.

"I have ... so far prevented the lighting of a fire in this region which would be hard to extinguish," Khamenei said, "but all should know that a very great and wide danger is quite near."

Khamenei also demanded that Pakistan, which Iran holds partly responsible for the murders, drop its support of the Taliban.

Pakistan was the first of only three countries around the world to recognize the Taliban government, and as many as 40 percent of the militia movement studied in religious schools in Pakistan.

Taliban spokesman Mullah Wakil Ahmad responded to Khamenei's statements, saying that Iran is blatantly interfering in Afghanistan's internal affairs and that the language used by Khamenei is unbecoming of his status and reflects "his mental ineptitude."

General link: http://www.washtimes.com/national/20...5725-9400r.htm

[Tracer]

...And there you go. Thanks. Interesting. I gues Enemy of my Enemy is not nessisarily our friend. See that can still be a good thing: Afganistan was enemy of our enemy once -_o Maybe it's ok to judge things independantly on thier own merits rather than based upon something outside its scope.

[Almaci]

So yeah while Haliburton was negotiating in NYc with Taliban representatives(yup yup, they had offices in NYc even during 9/11) Iran was actively fighting them.

[Abobo]

Ok..so now that Uncle Saddam was caught....what do you think it gonna happen? Will there be freedom and everlasting peace in Iraq? HELL NO!! This is just the beginning people, if you don't think that those disgusting Mullas in Iran don't have their eyes set on Iraq..the you are all in for a rude awakening. You see...despite what many people (Americans) think, Iranians are not true Muslims. They were invaded and the religion was forced apon them. For that reason, Iranians in the end will win out when it comes to these religious wackjobs. Iraqis on the other hand are arabs and have always been muslim. They have deep roots in Islam and their culture is derived from that, for that reason radical muslims will flourish in that country. In five years America will wish that saddam was still in power. You guys think that the Iranian gov't is bad? Just wait.

I keep saying this and no one listens....When the gov't of Iran changes and the Iranian people are free...this WILL change the world. The whole concept of a radical Islamic Gov't is based and rooted in Iran. It is that idea that has been exported to all of these "troubled" countries. If they realize that the Radical Islam failed in the country where it started, then it will fail elsewhere. Sure, Saddam was evil. But he was evil in a selfish way. The mullas in Iran have another way of doing it, they recruit the poor and uneduacted and use the words of "God". No one can dispute the word of god!! Saddam ruled by force and nothing else. These sick bastard mullas rule by Devinity!! If god says so, then it shall be. Iraq is a great place to spead the word, there are MANY poor and uneducated people in Iraq due to the tyrannical gov't of the past 30 years. The mullas see this and they will exploit it.

So what does the US gov't do about this? Nothing. They keep holding secret talks with the Iranian gov't. They keep sending those stupid Nuclear Inspectors. It is so sad to see that no one really cares about the Iranian people. All they need is a little push, some encouragement. They need the world to focus their attention on them for as little as 6 months. When you have 70% of your population under the age of 30, change is inevitable. It will happen. But like many people under that age, they are confused with no one to guide them. That is what they need, some support and someone to guide them.

The Iranian Gov't hates the Taliban not because the are evil. It's that the Taliban were making more money than they were by exporting opium. They were also competing with the Mullas with their own form of extreme Islam. There are Taliban in Iran right now, and the Iranian gov't knows it and could care less. In the end it comes down to one thing and one thing only and that is the all mighty Dollar. I'll say it again...a free Iran will change the world.

[Almaci]

Oh boy, man youre ready for those nice men in their white coats to take you away to that wonderfull place with padded walls.

[Gohron]

Ok..so now that Uncle Saddam was caught....what do you think it gonna happen? Will there be freedom and everlasting peace in Iraq? HELL NO!! This is just the beginning people, if you don't think that those disgusting Mullas in Iran don't have their eyes set on Iraq..the you are all in for a rude awakening. You see...despite what many people (Americans) think, Iranians are not true Muslims. They were invaded and the religion was forced apon them. For that reason, Iranians in the end will win out when it comes to these religious wackjobs. Iraqis on the other hand are arabs and have always been muslim. They have deep roots in Islam and their culture is derived from that, for that reason radical muslims will flourish in that country. In five years America will wish that saddam was still in power. You guys think that the Iranian gov't is bad? Just wait.

I keep saying this and no one listens....When the gov't of Iran changes and the Iranian people are free...this WILL change the world. The whole concept of a radical Islamic Gov't is based and rooted in Iran. It is that idea that has been exported to all of these "troubled" countries. If they realize that the Radical Islam failed in the country where it started, then it will fail elsewhere. Sure, Saddam was evil. But he was evil in a selfish way. The mullas in Iran have another way of doing it, they recruit the poor and uneduacted and use the words of "God". No one can dispute the word of god!! Saddam ruled by force and nothing else. These sick bastard mullas rule by Devinity!! If god says so, then it shall be. Iraq is a great place to spead the word, there are MANY poor and uneducated people in Iraq due to the tyrannical gov't of the past 30 years. The mullas see this and they will exploit it.

So what does the US gov't do about this? Nothing. They keep holding secret talks with the Iranian gov't. They keep sending those stupid Nuclear Inspectors. It is so sad to see that no one really cares about the Iranian people. All they need is a little push, some encouragement. They need the world to focus their attention on them for as little as 6 months. When you have 70% of your population under the age of 30, change is inevitable. It will happen. But like many people under that age, they are confused with no one to guide them. That is what they need, some support and someone to guide them.

The Iranian Gov't hates the Taliban not because the are evil. It's that the Taliban were making more money than they were by exporting opium. They were also competing with the Mullas with their own form of extreme Islam. There are Taliban in Iran right now, and the Iranian gov't knows it and could care less. In the end it comes down to one thing and one thing only and that is the all mighty Dollar. I'll say it again...a free Iran will change the world.

Ok, I understand that you're Iranian and all, but how long did you live there and how recently have you been in the United States? Because the whole Iran "not being true Muslims, it was forced on them" doesn't go on conventional wisdom my friend, that only matters for one or two generations, after that the religion is passed down, just because it was forced on their ancestors doesn't mean they feel it's forced on them. My friend from Iran who lived there for most of his life until 9/11 is pretty secular, but even know his parents are in the US they're still very Muslim...

[spacecowboy]

Ok, I understand that you're Iranian and all, but how long did you live there and how recently have you been in the United States? Because the whole Iran "not being true Muslims, it was forced on them" doesn't go on conventional wisdom my friend, that only matters for one or two generations, after that the religion is passed down, just because it was forced on their ancestors doesn't mean they feel it's forced on them. My friend from Iran who lived there for most of his life until 9/11 is pretty secular, but even know his parents are in the US they're still very Muslim...

I think he means the religion in terms of government, although I'm not sure. BTW, I'm going to Iran next week so I'll see what's up with my family there and see how they feel.

SC

[Abobo]

Spacecowboy, wow...good for you!! I'm planning to go in March after 20 years! Gohron, that should answer your question. Trust me when I tell you that Iranians are not True Muslims. The persians were Zoroastrians or Fire worshippers. There are still a small contingent of them in Iran. Yes Islam has fully integrated itself into persian culture, but with Iranians being Persian comes first and muslim second. Whereas the rest of the muslim world basically shares the same holidays and such, Iranians don't. For Iranians, it is much more important to celebrate their culture rather than their religion. I never said that they feel that Islam was forced on them, I am saying that it was forced on them. Islam is a part of Iranian culture now, but it is not the driving force that many think it is. Iranians are completly different than any other muslim country.

There are many levels of Practicing muslims just like there are in any religion. I can tell you for a fact that all the young people in Iran have turned their back on their own religion. They despise it. It is a shame really, since Islam at its core is a very peaceful religion...well all religions start with good intentions, it's the people who corrupt it. These days yes, the gov't is totally responsible for forcing religion down peoples throats. And that is why I am saying that people in Iraq are starving for it and that is what those sick mullahs are salivating over. They know that their time in Iran is almost over, they are looking at Iraq like a lion salivating over it's prey. Almaci, why do you think I'm crazy?

[Almaci]

Spacecowboy, wow...good for you!! I'm planning to go in March after 20 years! Gohron, that should answer your question. Trust me when I tell you that Iranians are not True Muslims. The persians were Zoroastrians or Fire worshippers. There are still a small contingent of them in Iran. Yes Islam has fully integrated itself into persian culture, but with Iranians being Persian comes first and muslim second. Whereas the rest of the muslim world basically shares the same holidays and such, Iranians don't. For Iranians, it is much more important to celebrate their culture rather than their religion. I never said that they feel that Islam was forced on them, I am saying that it was forced on them. Islam is a part of Iranian culture now, but it is not the driving force that many think it is. Iranians are completly different than any other muslim country.

There are many levels of Practicing muslims just like there are in any religion. I can tell you for a fact that all the young people in Iran have turned their back on their own religion. They despise it. It is a shame really, since Islam at its core is a very peaceful religion...well all religions start with good intentions, it's the people who corrupt it. These days yes, the gov't is totally responsible for forcing religion down peoples throats. And that is why I am saying that people in Iraq are starving for it and that is what those sick mullahs are salivating over. They know that their time in Iran is almost over, they are looking at Iraq like a lion salivating over it's prey. Almaci, why do you think I'm crazy?

First of al who are YOU to decide who or what constitutes a true Muslim, what gives you the moral right and superiority to tell others that what they believe is wrong and put them in categories.
Where did you get this supreme knoledge wich is alien to the rest of us?
As for the Taliban being hated by the Mullahs becouse THEY MADE MORE MONEY WITH DOPE THEN IRAN DID WITH OIL, get fucking real dude.
Yeah the Taliban was doing so well with growing lowpriced popies for heroin that they were begging Haliburton for oil contracts.
Seriously where the hell do you get this shit?