excellent website design

[Kidnemo]

And my point about "anybody can make Flash" was that Flash gives you so many more freebies when it comes to design. It isn't hard to make a pretty looking Flash page, because at the end of the day all Flash really is is a big graphic.

I guess we're going to have to agree to dissagree.

Because I totally and completely dissagree with you.

I'd like a list of these "freebies" you're talking about. Everything that's in Flash MX template wise (scrollbars, menus, buttons, etc.) looks like crap.

And there is quite a bit more to making a great looking flash site than just "making a big graphic", just as much programming knowledge (if not quite a bit more depending on how in depth you get), as any static html site.

[epmode]

pixelassassin, check your PMs plz.

[jonas]

Well, call me offensive and ignorant then, because I DO think a hell of a lot of Flash sites are "graphical garbage." People use Flash without knowing HOW to use Flash, and use Flash when there is not one single reason to, other than to "look cool."
Why do people use HTML? To look practical? What's the merit that differentiates between using Flash or HTML? Graphical garbage? Tell me how many people can create graphics like Pixel Ranger or 2A? Not many.
You are misinformed.

And my point about "anybody can make Flash" was that Flash gives you so many more freebies when it comes to design. It isn't hard to make a pretty looking Flash page, because at the end of the day all Flash really is is a big graphic.
Really? 'Cause flash gives you nothing. You have to know how to link your pages together with buttons (using Actionscripting, aka programming) and if you want to animate those buttons, thats a whole new field of entertainment. Flash may have big bitmaps in it, but it is FAR from a graphic. Did you forget how interactive flash was? Or can be used properly? Most people who do not know how to use flash - don't. It's complex and unforgiving.

Doing something that looks equally pleasing with nothing more than HTML code is a hell of a lot more difficult.
Hah. HTML is the most basic form of web design there is. If you think that it is complex, then you need to venture further. Maybe HTML + PHP + ASP.... then you might have something but straight HTML is a walk in the park. Hello notepad, hello pixelassassin... you are my friend.
True, a lot of HTML sites can look very nice (FFOnline) but most well done flash sites kill HTML sites - why? Interactivity.

And those two designers you mentioned are getting a lot of money. Great. Microsoft gets a lot of money for Windows, and I still think it is a shit product that's a total mess.
Well, now at least I know where you are coming from. Bill Gates hater, eh? That's cool if that's your thing. I mean they just make software, why HATE them. It's like hating the GAP. Why? They make clothes, not spawns of the devil.

Flash is just adverse as HTML. HTML is out of hand with people who don't know how to use it just as much as Flash is. Thankfully, that may all be coming to and end if W3C gets there way.

Again, it's ok to have your opinion and I respect it and all that jazz but being ignorant is a sad way to look at everything.

Oh yeah, keep in mind that Flash is starting to take over more than the net. PDA's are using Flash (they can finally handle it, before Flash+PDA=boom) and most new fridges in the future will no doubt probably use Flash to do their interfaces. Flash + Hand Control (finger monitor) = ohhhh yeah!!!*koolaid guy*

Not to mention that some film editors use Flash for advanced Text effects and some visual effects. Publish -> Quicktime Movie.

[Drewbacca]

citrusmedia.com and designchapel.com

They're company pitch websites with Chapel being a pretty hi end site. But good design doesn't always mean good functionality. (well, actually maybe it does, media wise. But design wise it doesn't really)

I'm just not impressed by people who make websites completely out of flash. Sure, it looks neat, but anybody can do that. I have a lot of respect for people who still work with standard old HTML - no Flash, no Java - and push it to its extremes and come up with impressive creations.

Plus, right away his site says that a Pentium is required, so I guess I'm not welcome. (Nor are any AMD owers.)

I think it looks cool. I'm no media design expert though. I'm learning print design so I couldn't tell you, but I think it looks cool. Anybody who's familiar with print and media design knows that white space is kind of an iffy subject.

Media designers typically like to have every inch filled on their site with SOMETHING. I suppose they believe they're paying for the space, so they should use it. I disagree, because white space helps all. (I don't mean white space as the colour white, either. Just empty)

It's a whole thing. I'm sure Nemo could help you out here as I'm still new to this graphic thing.

[Rhydant]

That pimp productions site is not good. How is he a genius? Photoshop Filter Effects overused=eye sore.

Aye, so's your old man. i wouldnt be putting down other sites when your own isnt that great to begin with.

but i guess you didnt get the joke? I am the webmaster of pimp-productions.com, its in my goddamn sig! shameless self-promotion is always good.

oh, and there were NO Photoshop filters used in creating the graphics for the site. it was all done by using the various airbrush/smudge tools and layer blending. so....

[jonas]

Haha. So just because it's your website means that I cannot give my opinion?

You posted the link.
Newbie? Haha, good one.
Actually your header/siderbar graphics could be made with filters and probably would look similar. So, there is no cause to become rude and childish, is there?

Sorry I blazed your site but seriously, if you didn't want me to hurt your feelings, then you shouldn't have posted it man. I didn't even mean to hurt your feelings.... I just gave my opinion. Welcome to 1994. Ok?
Whatever dude! You got a kick ass picture on your website anyways with that Letterman picture.

Don't take stuff so personal. By the way, you do know that Photoshop filters are just quick shortcuts to creating things you do in Photoshop ... say with the paintbrush and smudges? You did know that right? You can do a motion blur on your own, how? Psst *smudge*

[Mode7]

I rather like my website, actually -- simple, clean, utilitarian. Get the fuck in, get the fuck out. Gratuitous flash does exactly nothing for me.

[Regus]

I rather like my website, actually -- simple, clean, utilitarian. Get the fuck in, get the fuck out. Gratuitous flash does exactly nothing for me.

Yeah, but the lack of Mars Matrix replay videos makes my heart weep.

[Rhydant]

Yeah. Whatever.

You make no sense. At all.

...?

[Drewbacca]

I was the webmaster of Wrestling Games.com and people liked it's layout. It wasn't good, and I didn't know the first thing about design back then.

Just saying that being a webmaster means nothing.

p.s. Purple is ugly by itself