EGM's question of the month

[MechDeus]

Fair enough, but that still doesn't explain why EGM glossed over KOTOR and Vice City in a "buggy games" feature that ran months after both games were released.

You're right, they should've included that. And Morrowind. And KoF2k. And Socom. And LotR:TTT. In fact, I am offended they didn't include every bug-filled game of the last couple years, even though the list alone would more then fill the two pages they devoted to the article, let alone leave them any room to write about. How dare they choose to spotlight three games that were far more glitch-infested then KOTOR and on par with VC.

[Mamoscott]

You're right, they should've included that. And Morrowind. And KoF2k. And Socom. And LotR:TTT. In fact, I am offended they didn't include every bug-filled game of the last couple years, even though the list alone would more then fill the two pages they devoted to the article, let alone leave them any room to write about. How dare they choose to spotlight three games that were far more glitch-infested then KOTOR and on par with VC.

I didn't expect them to include every buggy game released in recent memory. However, I would've liked them to include the biggest game release this year (KOTOR) and the biggest game release from last year (Vice City), both of which happen to be notoriously buggy titles. You can continue to misinterpret my posts in an effort to come up with more witty replies if you want though.

I like EGM. I just thought, as I already stated, that the "Buggy Games" feature was a missed opportunity more than anything.

That article was a major opportunity to show readers that even major game series and developers were susceptible to publisher pressure and rushed releases, not just licensed tripe like Enter the Matrix and Pirates or whatever.

[MechDeus]

You can continue to misinterpret my posts in an effort to come up with more witty replies if you want though.

Why would I need to misinterpret? EtM and AoD were bigger titles then KOTOR with more hype and more glitches.

That article was a major opportunity to show readers that even major game series and developers were susceptible to publisher pressure and rushed releases, not just licensed tripe like Enter the Matrix and Pirates or whatever.

Except that Pirates wasn't designed as a licensed game, it merely got that title slapped on the front when they obtained the rights to it very late in the game (it was a sequel to another game) and AoD wasn't licensed.

[§eraphim]

I want a mag that just has 2 sides to the argument, one guy that loves it and one who spits on it, non of this 10 across the board nonsense.

[Mamoscott]

Why would I need to misinterpret? EtM and AoD were bigger titles then KOTOR with more hype and more glitches.Except that Pirates wasn't designed as a licensed game, it merely got that title slapped on the front when they obtained the rights to it very late in the game (it was a sequel to another game) and AoD wasn't licensed.

Just a few months earlier, all three of those games garnered horrible to mediocre reviews in EGM. So why publish an article that retreads the same stuff their reviewers stated months prior?

AoD had more hype than KOTOR? Gimme a fucking break. AoD was a last ditch attempt to resurrect a series that gamers haven't cared about for years, and it was delayed so much that even most of the contigent that did care about a new Tomb Raider game lost interest. It also was an utter failure in all respects. KOTOR is a Star Wars fanboy's wet dream, one of the only RPG's on the Xbox, and the biggest Xbox release since Halo (arguably the biggest release on any platform this year). Vice City is the followup to the biggest game of this console generation. Vice City and KOTOR weren't featured in the article.

The lesson here is that nobody gives a shit about glitches in crappy games (licensed or not), because people aren't going to play those games anyway. I had no problem with them including Enter the Matrix in the article, since it was such a phenomenal sales success and it wasn't completely lambasted by reviewers across the board (though EGM rightfully panned it).

Including games such as AoD and Pirates allows readers to just rationalize the whole point of the article away. "Well sure...these games may be buggy, but I know developers like Bioware and Rockstar would never put out a buggy game. It's not that big of a problem."

[MechDeus]

AoD had more hype than KOTOR? Gimme a fucking break. AoD was a last ditch attempt to resurrect a series that gamers haven't cared about for years, and it was delayed so much that even most of the contigent that did care about a new Tomb Raider game lost interest. It also was an utter failure in all respects.

Funny, none of that affects how it kept getting three times as much press as KOTOR. I didn't say it was a better game and that it came out on time, I said it got more hype. Which it did.

KOTOR is a Star Wars fanboy's wet dream, one of the only RPG's on the Xbox, and the biggest Xbox release since Halo (arguably the biggest release on any platform this year). Vice City is the followup to the biggest game of this console generation. Vice City and KOTOR weren't featured in the article.

You know, you could just write them and complain about how they didn't include a couple games in that article that you wanted them to.

Including games such as AoD and Pirates allows readers to just rationalize the whole point of the article away. "Well sure...these games may be buggy, but I know developers like Bioware and Rockstar would never put out a buggy game. It's not that big of a problem."

Except that almost anyone who would say that would have played their games and know otherwise from first-hand experience. It's like a Capcom fan saying none of their games include cheap bosses; they're either lying or they've never actually played any of their games.

[Mamoscott]

Funny, none of that affects how it kept getting three times as much press as KOTOR. I didn't say it was a better game and that it came out on time, I said it got more hype. Which it did.

What planet are you living on? AoD got more pre-release disdain than hype. The game's entire development process was a joke. The way Eidos handled AoD's release (holding back review copies past publication deadlines, etc) was an even bigger joke. KOTOR was hyped beyond belief. It came out near the middle of the year when no other marquee titles were coming out. Bioware has a legion of fanboys drooling over its every release. Star Wars has a legion of fanboys drooling over every Star Wars game. Again, where was all this supposed Tomb Raider hype coming from? I'd like to know, because apparently I missed it. Or do you actually think the Tomb Raider movie sequel WHICH COMPLETELY BOMBED generated massive amounts of hype for AoD?

You know, you could just write them and complain about how they didn't include a couple games in that article that you wanted them to.

I'm not complaining, merely stating what I thought of the article. The only reason I brought that particular feature up is because it ties in with the theme of thread (when a publication loses credibility in the eyes of the reader). I didn't think the article was bad, just a missed opportunity.

Except that almost anyone who would say that would have played their games and know otherwise from first-hand experience. It's like a Capcom fan saying none of their games include cheap bosses; they're either lying or they've never actually played any of their games.

So what you're saying is popular games from popular developers should be exempt from such articles, because people will play and experience the bugs themselves anyway? Yeah, that makes sense.

Where do you keep coming up with these arbitrary figures/numbers anyway? AoD got three times as much press as KOTOR? AoD has more bugs than KOTOR, but the amount of bugs in it are on par with Vice City? Where is your proof? All those games are incredibly buggy, but you insinuate that the reason AoD was included in the article is because it had more bugs than KOTOR, which is virtually impossible to prove one way or the other.

[MechDeus]

What planet are you living on? AoD got more pre-release disdain than hype. The game's entire development process was a joke. The way Eidos handled AoD's release (holding back review copies past publication deadlines, etc) was an even bigger joke. KOTOR was hyped beyond belief. It came out near the middle of the year when no other marquee titles were coming out. Bioware has a legion of fanboys drooling over its every release. Star Wars has a legion of fanboys drooling over every Star Wars game. Again, where was all this supposed Tomb Raider hype coming from? I'm curious.

KOTOR had things written here and there, but it rarely had much pop up until the month of its release. AoD had something on it nearly every month in at least one magazine along with plenty on websites for the last half-year before release. A lot of it was wait-n-see but in every article I saw until release they always had something good to say even when complaining about it being pushed back.

So what you're saying is popular games from popular developers should be exempt from such articles, because people will play and experience the bugs themselves anyway? Yeah, that makes sense.

Mind explaining how the hell you got that out of what I wrote? You said people would use an article as an excuse, I said anyone who would do so is blind or a liar. Where did I say popular developers should be exempt from articles? Oh that's right, I didn't.

Where do you keep coming up with these arbitrary figures/numbers anyway? AoD got three times as much press as KOTOR? AoD has more bugs than KOTOR, but the amount of bugs in it are on par with Vice City? Where is your proof? All those games are incredibly buggy, but you insinuate that the reason AoD was included in the article is because it had more bugs than KOTOR, which is virtually impossible to prove one way or the other.

They're generalized figures based on how much was bitched about. KOTOR had one major glitch and a few minor one, VC had numerous major glitches and many minor ones, and AoD had mostly minor ones but were constant. So to answer your question: I get my figures from reading and playing games.

[Mamoscott]

KOTOR had things written here and there, but it rarely had much pop up until the month of its release. AoD had something on it nearly every month in at least one magazine along with plenty on websites for the last half-year before release. A lot of it was wait-n-see but in every article I saw until release they always had something good to say even when complaining about it being pushed back.

Apparently, we read some very different gaming magazines. The Tomb Raider series has been a joke for years, and AoD remaining in development hell for so long only made its previews progressively worse. Hype is supposed to make people want to buy a game, not laugh at it.

They're generalized figures based on how much was bitched about. So to answer your question: I pull figures out of my ass to support my opinions.

Yes, that makes more sense. Thanks for clarifying.

[MechDeus]

Yes, that makes more sense. Thanks for clarifying.

I'm glad to see you're admitting that you didn't pay attention to any of the games I listed, perhaps you should go check the problems people have had with those games. You're so cute when you're blinded by a reasonless point. They didn't put KOTOR and VC in. You can stop crying now and get over it.

But since you're having to rewrite what I said more and more I see you've run out of ideas and have decided to move to childish taunts. Hence, I'm done with this.