SNK Discussion Madness/ SamShoV/0 Poppy Code

[arjue]

I guess the difference is that Capcom DO develop for newer hardware, so they have absolutely no excuse for doing it.

I can't see how making games for current consoles is in anyway detrimental to anything. The games will be cheaper, more people will buy them, and SNK will make more money, which means bigger budgets for their games.

[The Bastard]

This is what I want to know as well. Why Capcom gets ragged on for using old sprites, but for SNK it's "hey let's not focus on the graphics".

It's very simple. Capcom is a bigger company with a lot of money whereas SNK is a smaller company that barely has any money. With Capcom's higher budget and use of slighty superior hardware I expect at least better results. Capcom gets ragged on for using old sprites because at least SNK had varied art styles for their sprites while Capcom kept using the same ones over and over again during the heyday. Arjue explains it pretty well actually.

LOL, is that difficult for all you heavy SNK enthusiasts/armchair historians to spell "ARUZE"? Here, I'll help: A R U Z E.

I must of had it blocked out of my mind. Didn't want to remember too much about that stupid piece of shit company. Ugh, they're a sponsor for PRIDE! ARGH!!! Even still, they don't deserve to have their name spelt correctly anyhow. Oh well....

[Roufuss]

It's very simple. Capcom is a bigger company with a lot of money whereas SNK is a smaller company that barely has any money. With Capcom's higher budget and use of slighty superior hardware I expect at least better results. Capcom gets ragged on for using old sprites because at least SNK had varied art styles for their sprites while Capcom kept using the same ones over and over again during the heyday. Arjue explains it pretty well actually.



I must of had it blocked out of my mind. Didn't want to remember too much about that stupid piece of shit company. Ugh, they're a sponsor for PRIDE! ARGH!!! Even still, they don't deserve to have their name spelt correctly anyhow. Oh well....

And Capcom has a higher budget because it dosen't develop on an ancient system, and barely post profits. For every million seller Capcom posts up, SNK has what? I don't think it'll have a million seller... and then we see excellent risky stuff like Viewtiful Joe because Capcom DOES have a higher budget BECAUSE of the million sellers.

Just because SNK dosen't bother to make games for newer systems, it's ok for them to get by half assing it? I honestly don't think so. The day Capcom started working in 3d and focusing more on the home console market then the arcades, is the day their rivalry with SNK ended because Capcom hit a new level SNK *still* hasn't bothered to reach to.

I've also heard the excuse that SNK dosen't develop on newer systems simply because it dosen't have the experience, but hey, that's no one's fault but their own. So far we have such 2d masterpieces as Guilty Gear XX, and now Capcom's Viewtiful Joe, while SNK keeps rehashing from 1995.

I'm excited for Sammy vs Capcom just because I know it will play AND look good, and I imagine Sammy always had less of a budget than SNK has. I would ask "then why do Sammy's games look better?", but it's because they don't stick to ancient hardware.

This is why 2d is dying, at least in my opinion, because people see these games and say "man, it looks about as good as what I played 10 years ago", and just decide to skip it, whereas they see Viewtiful Joe and say "Hey, that game looks pretty stylish, I might want to give it a try".

Presentation counts for alot, and if SNK took one risk to make a higher budget, everyone would be happy.

Maybe I should make myself more clear on my position. I love 2d games, more than 3d, and I probably buy more old, dated 2d games than new games every year. But does any expect Konami to release a Metal Gear that looks like the one for NES? Or Capcom's next Resident Evil to look like the first one for PS One? It's just, it's 2003 now, and the bar has been raised for 2d, and SNK seems to hinder that. I'd love to see 2d come back more than anyone, but for that to happen it needs to break into the mainstream again. And today's AVERAGE consumer won't buy a game that looks like it was supposed to be released years ago. Companies are starting to show that yes, 2d games can be profitable, and if SNK would only step up to that, I feel 2d fighters could definately make a comeback.

[The Bastard]

Sammy is stinking rich. They're worth more than Capcom and SNKP combined. The Guilty Gear series is the bees knees over in Japan and I assume has a large budget.

The only reason Capcom is taking risks these days is simply because they're running out of money and need to turn it around. If they were as profitable as they were before, they would be like EA and Viewtiful Joe wouldn't exist. Capcom only inherited the higher budget because they milked the Mega Man franchise to horrific extremes. You can say SNK is rehashing, but if you legitimately believe Capcom is some sort of huge innovator then you're crazy. Capcom recently has made Viewtiful Joe, a bunch of Mega Man games, remakes of older games (running out of ideas maybe), a bunch of sequals to Mikami produced games, Breath of Fires, and a bunch of lesser, shitty, generic like games using Mikami's engine. Capcom is half assing almost just as much as SNKP.

SNK is a niche company. They will never sell as much as Capcom because their type of games just don't appeal to the masses. Go ask Sega how much money they made making a bunch of niche games using a high budget. That's right, they almost went bankrupt!

[BonusKun]

LOL, is that difficult for all you heavy SNK enthusiasts/armchair historians to spell "ARUZE"? Here, I'll help: A R U Z E.

Who gives a fuck how it's spelled. It's still a Pachinko company.

Just because SNK dosen't bother to make games for newer systems, it's ok for them to get by half assing it? I honestly don't think so.

You may not think so but apparently a lot of people don't see it that way either. I'd like for them to take their programming skillz to the next level *funny i said that considering where I am* and try to do some serious cross licensing.

Amazing as this sounds kiddies, The King of FIghters 2K2 & SNK vs Capcom Chaos turned in a serious proft for Playmore which I can honestly say they must be doing something right.

Is this age of newer hardware and competeting companies & systems, it should be noted that the Neo*Geo was never meant to be a mass market system. Ever.

It's a niche system with a following of fans from people who played their games in the arcade, rom users, console ports, MVS home owners, & NGH home owners as well.

The cost of these games in this day and age is still pretty nuts & the 2ndary collector's market alone is disgusting but like I said it's a hobby and if you don't like it or it's too rich for your blood *sounds self-centered I know*, then don't buy it.

Just get the roms if you don't feel like spending $300.00 USD on a new cart. It's free and you can enjoy the game or you can wait for a port & maybe show a lil support that way.

It's a love/hate relationship with S N K's games so yes I know the hardware is dated and yes they could be doing something different on a newer hardware/system but it's their business and so far it's making them some money.

It's hard to argue with that.

[The Bastard]

Damn your good! All this SNK talk makes me want to buy all my old shit back. Good times....

[BonusKun]

Maybe new to these forums, but not new to SNK.

I just thought it was funny how someone can bitch so much at
at a gaming company and its fans because they can't obviously
afford to buy the original arcade games.

No, they want them on their beloved ps2s, xboxe's or cube's.

If you don't like the way it is, don't buy the games, easy as that.

For the time being enjoy your inferior ports while you can.

I just realized who the fuck this is. The only person who uses the term 'Inferior Ports' has to be xtoo_short20x.

Hate to tell you this guy but that close minded opinoin you have about ports of S N K games isn't going to fly here. I'd suggest you'd not burn too many bridges yet. People on TNL love personalites like yours.

[The Bastard]

Oh crap! The Grant avatar just gives it away. Good observation. Crazy Neo-Geo.com posters.

And yeah I can believe SNK VS Capcom made a huge profit. How fast did the JAMMA board sell again?

Edit: 7 days till KOF 2003 beta test. We'll find out how much a rehash this is...

[MechDeus]

Sammy is stinking rich. They're worth more than Capcom and SNKP combined. The Guilty Gear series is the bees knees over in Japan and I assume has a large budget.

Worth more then Capcom? Since when?

The only reason Capcom is taking risks these days is simply because they're running out of money and need to turn it around.

That's retarded. No company takes risks when they don't have money, that's exactly when they pull out the gaurenteed sales to get extra cash to take risks.

Capcom only inherited the higher budget because they milked the Mega Man franchise to horrific extremes.

That stopped being valid during the days of the NES. These days that sort of sentence needs to be started with Resident Evil, but then you'd be leaving out their more recent money-makers like DMC.

You can say SNK is rehashing, but if you legitimately believe Capcom is some sort of huge innovator then you're crazy.

In comparision, yes, they are.

Capcom recently has made Viewtiful Joe, a bunch of Mega Man games, remakes of older games (running out of ideas maybe), a bunch of sequals to Mikami produced games, Breath of Fires, and a bunch of lesser, shitty, generic like games using Mikami's engine. Capcom is half assing almost just as much as SNKP.

A lot of that is just name brand with the gameplay having little to do with its namesake. Name one single RPG in existance that plays like BoF: DQ. Their recent Megaman Zero games share traits with the X series but are far more advanced and well-done then any Megaman game since the original three on the NES.

Yes, Capcom does milk the hell out of their franchises. Funny thing is, you just listed more franchises that Capcom can milk then SNK has total, and there are tons you didn't post. You can hardly say a company with so many different kinds of games is half-assing as much as a company that relies on two series. Take away Resident Evil and DMC (their biggest series in years) from Capcom and what do you have? At least ten other current series to build on, not counting anything new they create (like Viewtiful Joe and P.N.03). Take away KoF and Metal Slug from SNK and what do you have? Garou. My, quite a list there, isn't it?

SNK is a niche company. They will never sell as much as Capcom because their type of games just don't appeal to the masses. Go ask Sega how much money they made making a bunch of niche games using a high budget. That's right, they almost went bankrupt!

They're a niche company because they refuse to do anything about it. Cave is a niche company that, just SNK, hasn't done anything really successful outside of one genre. Difference is, Cave manages to update their graphics with every game and keeps them looking good.

Besides, how do fighting games not appeal to the masses? Outside of rythym-based games it's the only continued proven genre to make money in arcades. But if they want to expect to make a lot of money they need to work on something more current and they need to update their art. Hell, if they at least started drawing their characters in a different art style it would at least show some effort. A lot of fans would cry out, "The hell is this?!" but at least then they could start moving somewhere and show they're willing to take a chance and put some effort into things. Even Capcom finally understood how far you can really push a series without at least changing the look.

SNK needs to stop KoF, make a couple more Garous, and then move on again. It won't pull in tons of cash, especially at first, but it's a step in the right direction.

[Kidnemo]

*reads thread...checks url*

Spooky, I thought I was at n-g.com for a bit there.