Matrix Reloaded: Why the Hate?

[Tragic]

I've said many times on this board that I loved The Matrix Reloaded. I felt it was an extremely entertaining and stylish movie that I walked away from very satisfied. Now, I know this isn't how many (if not most) people on this board and movie goers in general feel. With it's release on DVD I decided I'd watch it again from a more subjective angle, looking for things I could see people having a problem with but still - I couldn't find much.

I'd like anyone who really didn't like the movie to tell me why. What didn't you like? Please be as specific as possible and what kind of things do you feel should have abviously been there that weren't?

As for me, these are the few problems I did have with it:

1) The dance party rave in Zion scene. Yes, this was one of the worst scenes in film that I've ever seen.

2) The architects speach. I think the plot was trying to make him seem as sophisticated and genious as possible but it ends up sounding nothing but convoluted.

Outside of these two complaints I can't think of much that would make someone not enjoy this movie that already enjoyed the original. I hope to get sophisticated answers as I'm not trying to start some sort of "STFU" fight. I'm just trying to see it from other's perspectives and see why someone might not enjoy a film that I loved so very much.

[gamevet]

I liked the film,but I found the story to be quite linear in Reloaded. This did'nt take away from my enjoyment of the film, but it makes you wonder how much effort was put into the story.

The ending was interesting to say the least, but it was more of a cliff hanger to get you to go to Revolutions.

[Diff-chan]

I am going to hope and pray that Despair doesn't enter this thread.

I liked the film,but I found the story to be quite linear in Reloaded.

It's a movie, not Animal Crossing. What is a movie if not linear? How can you have an open-ended movie? Shit starts, shit climaxes, shit ends. That's a movie.

[Sqoon]

Super Saiyan Neo is not exciting to watch and the only thing that could threaten him were those fruity albino ghosts and some mental mindfucks. The ghosts are way too powerful and just throw everything out of balance. Mind games played by the old men and French stereotypes may have been interesting, but they don't have much to work with in way of Keanu Reeves, who spends most of the time impersonating a six foot wooden log.

Plus, too much kung-fu. A good gunfight that really sticks out (like the lobby scene and the wonderful wonderful subway showdown in the original) is way better than any hand-to-hand battle.

[Tragic]

I rather liked the ghosts (or "twins" as they're called in the movie). I found them to be quite a "stylish" (for the lack of a better word) addition to the cast and mixed things up for me a bit. Just when I started to get bored of Neo just fighting agents they throw in something like this. I liked it.

As for the gun fights. Yeah, I'll have to agree with you but the kung-fu was so cool that I didn't mind very much at all.

[Mzo]

I thought it was such a bad film I never got around to watching it.

[gamevet]

I am going to hope and pray that Despair doesn't enter this thread.



It's a movie, not Animal Crossing. What is a movie if not linear? How can you have an open-ended movie? Shit starts, shit climaxes, shit ends. That's a movie.

Of coarse, but with the original Matrix, there was a little more mystery to what was going on. Reloaded concentrated more on the battle scenes and a few shallow history points to what has happened and is going to happen. I still enjoyed the movie very much, but it seemed more like a setup for Revolutions, than it's own individual story or chapter.

[MechDeus]

I love the movie so perhaps I shouldn't be answering this, but:

1) The dance party rave in Zion scene. Yes, this was one of the worst scenes in film that I've ever seen.

Aside from length I had no problem here. All of Zion should've been shortened, scenes like the discussion about the machines that power Zion dragged on like all hell. That could've been written and condensed a lot better.

2) The architects speach. I think the plot was trying to make him seem as sophisticated and genious as possible but it ends up sounding nothing but convoluted.

No problems here, aside from a few loose ends they left I had no trouble understanding him. I rather enjoy that scene quite a bit.

My only real problem with the movie is pacing. Much like Versus, it's an incredible action movie but needed better timing and flow inbetween major scenes.

[Rocca]

1) The dance party rave in Zion scene. Yes, this was one of the worst scenes in film that I've ever seen.

2) The architects speach. I think the plot was trying to make him seem as sophisticated and genious as possible but it ends up sounding nothing but convoluted.

Agreed. The first point you mention shocked the hell out of me, it was only the beginning and i already disliked the movie, I was hoping it wouldn't be like this the whole way. The architect has a very enriched vocabulary, but I suppose it's the machine's way of imaging a human to the One.

Scary Movie 3 portrayed the Architect perfectly with him holding a Webster's dictionary saying various words to "sound" intellectual. Good stuff, but bad movie.

[AaronChance]

I found the entire movie to be boring with nothing to grab my interest at all. All the fights felt extremely staged and faked (yes I know all movie fights are like that, but the ones in MR were so methodical they were hardly fights... it was just a series of dance routines with neither person even trying to hurt the other). Not to mention the fights went on way too long to make up for the almost complete lack of plot. I mean, the burly brawl was cool for five minutes, but it went on and on and on and on... bleh. I didn't even mention the fact that the whole love triangle in Zion felt tacked on at the last second.

Agent Smith was cool as always, but that's all the good I can say about it.