Reply With QuoteThere are definitely too many "deus ex machina" moments with people coming out of nowhere to save the day. It's true for all three of the movies, and it sucks.
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I got so sick of people getting bailed out by friends that showed up OUT OF NOWHERE. This scene itself was cool, but i just couldn't take this same situation happening over and over and over throughout the movie (I was ok with it in TT because it hadn't yet been overused and was at least set up properly when the riders returned). Can't anyone fight a legitimate battle from beginning to end and win on thier own merits? I kind of felt bad for Sauron, no one ever came to help him, he kept losing because of this BS.Originally Posted by MechDeus
There are definitely too many "deus ex machina" moments with people coming out of nowhere to save the day. It's true for all three of the movies, and it sucks.
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Actually, no. As you might recall, both large battles involved the good guys knowingly ride off to their deaths because they stood all of zero chance by themselves. So without deus ex machinas popping up all over they still would not have won anything on their own merits.
[edit] And I'm beaten to the odd word reference.
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I don't see how it comes unexpectedly when they clearly face in surmountable odds.
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Well, they weren't completely unexpected (at least in RotK), as we saw Aragorn talk to the dead (and it was pretty obvious they were going to go along with it) and knew he would be coming to help the others as he already discussed that with Agent Smith; it was only a question of when. The Eagles were unexpected but not wholly needed for the battle as the Nozgul only would've damaged the resistance, not wiped it out as they only fought for a minute before flying off towards the ring.
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Ok, im not going to mark with spoliers anymore, because i hate everyone who has not seen this movie. If you are thinking "what about me?", thats right, even you. Anyhow, to address the questions of how the witch king was defeated. WARNING, long and if you don't like LOTR, boring:
The 4 hobbits ORIGINALLY got thier swords when tom bombadil found them in near the barrow wrights (undead creatures of sorts). It was mentioned that this was the resting place of the a group of men of numenor (Aragorns people) who were at war with the witch king, and were killed by him. Therefore, these swords (far more powerful than bilbo's sting) were created solely for the purpose of slaying the witch king. When he was stabbed by it, it destroyed whatever force made him invunerable. Really, at that point, anyone could have killed him. So as opposed to "merry drew his attention away so eowyn could kill him" it was more of the opposite, eowyn was the distraction, merry did the true deed. By stabbing him, both of the become ill similar to how frodo was ill, and DO NOT FIGHT in the final scene. I don't care that was taken out, i think merry was an awesome addition to the end.
The only book to movie gripes i have (and i do know all the changes, i just think PJ is fucking amazing for conveing almost all the feelings and ideas of the books using different scenes) is that when reading the books, you realize that frodo and sam are tougher than any of the other characters. The movie does try to convey how tired and such they are, and it would not be possible within the scope of the movie to show it, but when you are reading the books, you realize, these guys have NO strength left, and they push on for days and days, because they know what thier actions mean. You know for weeks frodo is bogged down by the ring, and its not some simple quick corruption like isildur, but you feel his heart being torn. My other gripe is, in the books, faramir is a sly mother fucker. He doesn't ask gollum what is up, nor does he fall for the power of the ring. He is talking to them, and he calls out thier BS, just from the way they are talking. Total badass.
The final fight was not merely between gondor and mordor, it was the free worlds stand, the final fight of the world. Everything that could showed up. I think the elves showing up in TTT was BS and unessessary, but i won't go into that. ROTK is too good for me to ever dis the series.
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The review in my local paper irritated me. "Feminist moment of the year: J.R.R. Tolkien must be spinning in his grave" regarding the Eowyn scene. I know if I was Tolkien, I'd be totally pissed too that Peter Jackson did that entire scene almost exactly as it was written in the book.
It also mentioned that the best scene in the movie is when Gimli says "Small chance of success... what are we waiting for?" before they go to recruit the Army of the Dead. Gandalf also apparently kills Saruman early in the movie, and Aragorn just now realizes he is the next king. I hate people.
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In the book, Legolos made a remark over wishing he had other elves to join him but he was the only one fighting there the whole time.
The army that came to join them was completely made up.
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I remember that part after the witch king fell, Merry went to get his blade, but it had already started to come apart on him and his whole arm was numb.
That's what he already said.
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