Pete Rose

[Stone]

The Hall of Fame should contain the best baseball players that ever lived. Not the nicest, not the most principled - he bet on baseball as a manager. Not as a player. Pete Rose, the player, is one of the best baseball players ever to play the game, and he belongs in the Hall of Fame.

[Diff-chan]

That's one thing he's done that i actually like. The Allstar game has serious problems because everyone is just dogging it. This exhibition crap is bullshit, i want to see teams playing to win. I want the best players out there all 9 innings and i don't give a shit if the 25th man's kids don't get to see him play. This solution doesn't solve the problem totally, but it's a start. And seriously, it's a much better, fairer, way to choose homefield advantage than just alternating it every year.

Why not, I dont know, pick the team with the better record? Or the team that has the better record in the playoffs? That way, the whole fucking team THAT MADE IT TO THE WORLD SERIES has something to do with whether or not they get home field advantage. Its fucking retarded to determine home field advantage, a major thing for the World Series, on whether or not some hotshot from a losing team does good one day in the middle of July.

The Allstar game will always be an exhibition because thats what it is. An exhibition. Nobody should ever think its more important, or better than it really is. But I guess thats the problem with sports. Everybody does that with everything.

[dog$]

If the Baseball Hall of Fame has enough room for Ty Cobb, who was racist by 1920's standards, and Roberto "All I Ever Did Was Die In A Plane Crash" Clemente, then it also has room for Pete Rose.

[Diff-chan]

Actually, yea, dog, I heard Ty Cobb had a major part in making sure the MLB wasnt integrated. If he wasnt around they could've had black players by 1914, not 1954.

And he wasnt racist by 1920's standards, he was racist by 1900's and 1910's standards. Which is even worse.

[stormy]

well the fundamental difference with being a racist or drug user or what have you and betting on baseball is that, while those things are crimes against society, gambling on baseball is a crime against baseball. Therefor gambling is punished by baseball more strictly than those other things.

[Diff-chan]

stormy, having something to do with keeping black people out of the major leagues for forty years isn't a crime against baseball?

Ty Cobb was, by all accounts, one of the worst human beings ever to be involved in sports, in every way. Nobody went to his funeral, for heaven's sake. Yet he was good, so he is an American legend.

[PaperWork]

Charlie Hustle will get in, as he should.

He'll be dead first though.

[stormy]

stormy, having something to do with keeping black people out of the major leagues for forty years isn't a crime against baseball?

well it wasn't good, but it didn't hurt the integrity of the game. If the winner is fixed why play? No one would care.

[Stone]

stormy, having something to do with keeping black people out of the major leagues for forty years isn't a crime against baseball?

well it wasn't good, but it didn't hurt the integrity of the game. If the winner is fixed why play? No one would care.

It didn't hurt the integrity of the game? Are you on fucking crack? Read that again. What the hell do the first 60 years of MLB mean when many of the best players playing the game weren't allowed to be in that league because of their skin color?

[stormy]

I understand what you're saying, but the people who were playing were still playing for something, and the game was legitimate. I can go watch a AAA game and enjoy it even though it doesn't have the best players, but i can't enjoy a game when the players are not playing by the fundamental rules. Baseball was still baseball regardless of racism, but it's not baseball anymore when corrupt people are affecting the outcome.