Big Bang Theory of the Universe's Begining Thrown Into Question

[Diff-chan]

Its not a giant planet, its a pinpoint of all the matter in the universe exploding.

[g0zen]

I have never been a big fan of the big bang theory. I mean, a giant planet that simply exists exploding to create the universe is just as believable as the universe simply existing.

You obviously have no idea what the hell you're talking about.

Go learn something about the goddamn theory before you try to contribute to the discussion.

[Saint of Killers]

There are solid arguments for both sides..

There are solid arguments for one side, and a bunch of single-minded stubborn fools obscuring facts and making shit up for the other.

[Benn93Z28]

Why is it automatically assumed that the earth had to have been created in 7 24-hour days? Just because WE associate a day meaning a "24 hour period" doesn't mean that the writer sees it that way. Notice how The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language defines day:

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1. A specific, characteristic period in one's lifetime: In Grandmother's day, skirts were long.
2. A period of opportunity or prominence: Every defendant is entitled to a day in court. That child will have her day.

days Period of life or activity: The sick cat's days will soon be over.

Yes I realize that the Bible also mentions "mornings" and "evenings", however you have to recognize the possibility that these are referring to a specific part of the creation period, meaning that the "morning" is referring to the beginning part of the creative day, and "evening" being the final part of the creative day.

Plus, you also have to remember that the description of the earth in the 2nd verse says that it was covered in darkness. Meaning that even if you were there to witness the event, you'd have no way of determining "day" from "night". In fact, it's rather odd that the scriptures mentions morning, not "day", and evening but not "night", which would further support my hypothesis that these shouldn't be taken literally.

Also, given that the lumanaries (which most likely would have included our sun) was not created until the 3rd day, it would be impossible for there to be a such thing as a literal "day".

Just my 2 cents,

--Benjamin

[gamevet]

And very nicely put!

[Rocca]

Why is it automatically assumed that ....

Nice view Benjamin, although I'm pretty sure we we're told that the world was made in 7 days for more of a symbolic figure in time. It's like alot of the stories you can find through the religions. And that Matrix theory is brouhaha so let's not enter that plz.

[nakkato]

I believe the universe exists simply because it has to.

Think about this: is it possible for nothing to not exist?

I know most will find that statement meaningless, but if the universe did not exist (assuming that something besides the universe does not exist, which I do not rule out)
then nothingness would not exist. If there was no void, then nothing could exist, because there is no room for anything without nothing. I find a Taoist belief relevent in this argument:
"We look at what does exist but we use from what does not."

Which is actually quite logical.

And if you're really observant, infinity itself (if you see the universe as infinite) cannot exist without zero, for without zero it would be zero itself, as zero has an important property of infinity, that is, any part of zero is as large as the whole.

But again, this is assuming an infinite universe, which for all we know could be incorrect.

In a finite universe, then it is completely possible for there to be some sort of area where nothing does not exist though, as it is probable that areas could exist outside finite parameters in a finite universe.

Now that I have made no sense at all and have created something to explain later, I'll move on to the Big Bang theory bit.

I find it probable if not true, as if you think about it, there is likely a star massive enough out there that when it collapses, it could pull all the mass of the universe down with it. But eventually all this mass has to somehow cope with it's own compression, and much like a squeeze toy it presses back outward... but in an interstellar case more like detonates back outward, flinging all the matter in the universe outward.

Which isn't an outlandish thought for most, given the infinite number of unknowns in the universe.

(This opens the door for a discussion about theories on how gravity works... I'll lead if anyone is interested.)

I would also like to bring a more personal theory into play, a sort of "Small Bang"- where a major star in a galaxy could collapse and bring all of the galaxy's matter inward and then push it back out- a sort of interstellar recycling- where all the gases and other matter is redistributed, a sort of reshuffling the stellar deck. This, of course, is just the basic thought. I should write a book about it...

I'll make a clearer version of all this junk when I'm awake.

[Nic0]

How was the universe created? Many once believed that the universe had no beginning or end and was truly infinite.

If the big bang theory says that the universe once existed in a state where it had no beginning or no end then why are Christians called crazy for believing in a God that has no beginning and no end? Essentially there must be something that exists that has no beginning or no end unless you believe the universe came out of nothing.
I personally just accept the beliefs of the Bible as true just because of what I have experienced in my life. I'm not really concerned with exactly how the universe came into existence or how long it took or whatever. It is here, we live in it. I simply believe that God created it.

[gamevet]

I've heard theories, of the universe being cylindrical in shape.


CNN once had a feature about a mathmetician who used a math formula to prove the existance of god. He said he's lived his life as an athiest, but though the math formula has proven that God does exist. I wonder if anyone's tried to prove his equation wrong?

[Nic0]

hhmm, I'm sure his equation can be challenged but that's just because I'm not quite sure one can prove God's existance through math...but who am I to say that..