Big Bang Theory of the Universe's Begining Thrown Into Question

[Captain Vegetable]

Why is it automatically assumed that the earth had to have been created in 7 24-hour days? Just because WE associate a day meaning a "24 hour period" doesn't mean that the writer sees it that way. Notice how The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language defines day:

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1. A specific, characteristic period in one's lifetime: In Grandmother's day, skirts were long.
2. A period of opportunity or prominence: Every defendant is entitled to a day in court. That child will have her day.

days Period of life or activity: The sick cat's days will soon be over.

Yes I realize that the Bible also mentions "mornings" and "evenings", however you have to recognize the possibility that these are referring to a specific part of the creation period, meaning that the "morning" is referring to the beginning part of the creative day, and "evening" being the final part of the creative day.

Plus, you also have to remember that the description of the earth in the 2nd verse says that it was covered in darkness. Meaning that even if you were there to witness the event, you'd have no way of determining "day" from "night". In fact, it's rather odd that the scriptures mentions morning, not "day", and evening but not "night", which would further support my hypothesis that these shouldn't be taken literally.

Also, given that the lumanaries (which most likely would have included our sun) was not created until the 3rd day, it would be impossible for there to be a such thing as a literal "day".

Just my 2 cents,

--Benjamin

This is all perfectly fine, and I haven't a single problem with anyone who chooses to believe in creation in this manner.

However, you're going to have to take into account certain other bits of information:

Moses (probably) wrote the book of Genesis near 5,000 years after the events actually took place. The length of a day had certainly been established by this point.

And number two, though God was inspiring the book, Moses was still writing it, and I'm sure it's safe to assume that Moses knew how long a day was, and phrased his writings in a manner in which all men can understand without vaguery.

[nakkato]

Most scientists think this is very unlikely, though, because theres not enough matter, and thus not enough gravitational force, to push everything together.

Therefore there never could have been a Big Bang.

But you're definitely thinking in terms of a finite universe...

And you're also ruling out the fact that there could easily be a massive star in the heart of the universe that could rake in all matter in the universe when it collapses.

Either way, though, you cannot be proven right or wrong.


I still think my theory makes sense in the fact that it is on a much smaller scale, and can actually account for the layout of galaxies, which have distinct patterns, which would likely not be formed in a Big Bang style universe.

Just my thought.

[Omni]

Because, devoting myself to a lie, while I know it is a lie (remember the original question was whether or not I could change my beliefs if the Bible was proven false) makes me one of the most wretched beings on the face of the Earth. People don't die for a falsehood. They don't subject themselves to all types of (at the risk of sounding foreboading) social persecutions for the sake of a lie.

But isn't this statement implying that if you did indeed find out (somehow) that the Bible was all a lie, that you would give up your beliefs? Wouldn't you be devoting yourself to a lie while knowing that it is a lie?

Besides, you already know my story about my faith, and why it is so strong.

Yeah, I know. I guess I just subscribe to the theory that logic should be our leader to the truth.

[DOVESKI]

I think we're....like....living IN God. Like our universe in totally like a cell or..something....in his body and stuff....dude....

[DOVESKI]

Yeah, I know. I guess I just subscribe to the theory that logic should be our leader to the truth.

Thats why ye must be like Children to understand the Father. Beyotch!

[Calliander]

I am God, and I say that you should believe whatever you want because you're all right.

What he said.

[Captain Vegetable]

That's an awful avatar, dude.

[Captain Vegetable]

Wouldn't you be devoting yourself to a lie while knowing that it is a lie?

I suppose, but this topic, especially when dealing in hypothetical examples, can get a bit paradoxical.

[Calliander]

That's an awful avatar, dude.

Well, it's awful what Mattel did to Barbie and Ken, mussing their fabulous doll line up with all of that Lord of the Ring heebie-jeebie nonsense. That's what we should be talking about, not this "who created the universe" mess. This is a travesty and a sham, and I won't stand for it! I want my non-Agaron Ken back, damn it!

[cigsthecat]

The fact that quotes can't be "nested" as cka refers to it is seriously getting old.