Democratic Primary Discussion Thread

[g0zen]

Mike, think, "Nader the Raider" or "Run, Ralph, Run!", dude... He's baaaaaaaaack... At the end of the day, you gotta vote on your principles, right? Riiight????

http://www.votenader.org -- Hint, hint...

Nader had my vote last election, but now that he's abandoned the Green Party he's never getting it again. He was building a legitimate third party in the Greens, now he's just running on a cult of personality.

[Calliander]

Nader had my vote last election, but now that he's abandoned the Green Party he's never getting it again. He was building a legitimate third party in the Greens, now he's just running on a cult of personality.

He's a moron with oil money and stock market investments, just like any other politician. And in the 2000 election he took money from Republican supporters to air Green Party commercials.

We Connecticut folk know a lot about our politicians.

[NightWolve]

That was actually pretty funny. Good show.

Thank you. I took great joy in it. Maybe a little too much perhaps... I need the comic relief after buying into all that Deaniac hype myself and having once seriously considered him a threat .

He's a moron with oil money and stock market investments, just like any other politician. And in the 2000 election he took money from Republican supporters to air Green Party commercials.
We Connecticut folk know a lot about our politicians.

Ah dammit... My, my, Nader opinions have changed significantly...

Oh well, you're too clever for me anyhow... *sniff*

I'm sitting home this November.

Al Gore highly disapproves of your attitude and would like to have a serious talk with you on this matter... I'm just sayin'.

And in a highly unusual rare turn of events:

The Canadian doesn't like how we do things.

Hehe. I believe this news... There dammit, finally got an opportunity to use that shit too.

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Well, in all seriousness, I do feel sorry for Edwards. Slight problem you get with a likeable guy in a party you want nothing to do with. But, now I'm curious to see what happens to the senate seat he leaves behind. At least, that was the word last I checked, not sure about it now.

[frostwolf ex]

I can't believe your country actually has to hold an election. The guy with his finger on the button says "yeah, I have to start a war. Jesus told me to. You know, Jesus? The pacifist who got the crap beat out of Him then got killed because He wouldn't raise a finger in violence, and then told everyone to follow His example? Yeah, Him. He made me do it."

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ok, there are a lot of sensable criticisms that can be leveled at bush, but now you are just being stupid. Please find me the exact quote saying that george bush went into war because "jesus told him too" or talk sense, because this is a moronic characture,and you can do better.

I think that was one of the times when sarcasm didn't translate well over the internet. Given that the democrats handed Dubya a surplus when he came in to office, it would be tough to say they'd do worse than the current administration.

again, there were a lot of other factors involved witht he economy going downhill, Clinton was fortunate enough to come into office during the tech boom,when the internet stocks were being so perversely overvalued, once the market corrected, and keep in mind that this started during the end of the clinton administration, the economy shrunk significantly. But you really cant blame or praise either administration, it was more luck in that case. Plus, one could note that in korea, the tech boom didnt end because the government and businesses invested in the infrastructure that made (south) korea the powerhouse it is right now. Neither clinton nor gore were foreward thinking enough to build a coalition with the american buisnesses to do the same. To be horribly frank, one of the majore problems in america right now is the exporting of mid-level jobs to other countries, like india, which has become the source of most tech work, which is why during the larry king debate last sunday, all 4 dems sounded particularly isolationistic,and all were down on nafta, so if a dem does get in office, the world might see a much more isolated us than in the past.

[voltz]

As if the news wasn't isolated enough.

[Diff-chan]

I think that was one of the times when sarcasm didn't translate well over the internet. Given that the democrats handed Dubya a surplus when he came in to office, it would be tough to say they'd do worse than the current administration.

And they also handed him an economy that was already sinking and a dotcom bubble that already burst.

And then two planes flew into the World Trade Center.

The democrats also handed Dubya a shitload of documents and testimonials about Iraq's nuclear weapons capabilities.

Just sayin'.

[StriderKyo]

ok, there are a lot of sensable criticisms that can be leveled at bush, but now you are just being stupid. Please find me the exact quote saying that george bush went into war because "jesus told him too" or talk sense, because this is a moronic characture,and you can do better.

Dang...I tried looking up a quote, but "George Bush pray Iraq War" comes up with some pretty freaky stuff when you type it into google. But I can say with certainty that Dubya has mentioned on more than one occasion that he prayed to Jesus about what to do in Iraq, and recieved the answer that invasion was the right thing to do.

Now, maybe Dubya has an open phone line to Jesus, and maybe Jesus had faulty intelligence too and told him to do it, but some how "shock and awe" doesn't seem like the big J's M.O., except for that one time he detonated a Mother of All Bomb(s) outside Jerusalem right after the Last Supper.

As for the economy, yes there were extenuating circumstances, and I don't count 9/11 expenses against the guy. But for crying out loud - an all-time record deficit of $477 Billion!? A quarter of the US budget? That's colossal mismanagement no matter how you want to skew it, and he has absolutely no feasible plan to make it better. I mean, he says he does (by 2009), he just doesn't have any details yet. If you're lucky it'll be a tax cut. Those always work, especially when you increase spending right after.

[burgundy]

But for crying out loud - an all-time record deficit of $477 Billion!? A quarter of the US budget? That's colossal mismanagement no matter how you want to skew it, and he has absolutely no feasible plan to make it better.

I like to bitch about Iraq and about his religious motives, but I might be able to look past both of those if not for this. The deficit, for me, is really the bottom line on Bush, and I challenge any of his supporters to explain to me why I should tolerate it. I can understand why selfish baby-boomers and retirees would want to live fat now on our generations' dime, but I can't fathom why any one us can stand for it.

[Calliander]

I like to bitch about Iraq and about his religious motives, but I might be able to look past both of those if not for this. The deficit, for me, is really the bottom line on Bush, and I challenge any of his supporters to explain to me why I should tolerate it. I can understand why selfish baby-boomers and retirees would want to live fat now on our generations' dime, but I can't fathom why any one us can stand for it.

Because the Democrats will overlook Homeland Security, which is the most important issue of this campaign. Aren't you paying attention?

[Jimmy Carter]

The primary is essentially over. Now George and Kerry can start duking it out.

In my opinion, the Dems could have only picked one more candidate worse than Kerry. (Okay, maybe three or more are worse, but they weren't contenders). While Edwards would not have won, I think he would have gained a larger number of votes than Kerry come November.

The problem with Kerry lies in his voting record. The man has voted for some very unpopular packages, and against some very popular ones. He's against the DMA, for reinstating higher taxes, against the death penalty, and for weakening the military. While some of these issues won't grate on the nerves of some coastal blue states, they'll surely destroy him in red states and midwestern/southern blue states. Take Minnesota. I'm willing to put cash down that Bush will be the first Republican since Nixon to take the state.

As far as I'm concerned, the Dems knocked out their very best candidate in the first round. And one of their second best on Tuesday.

Needless to say, it's going to be an interesting year.