Democratic Primary Discussion Thread

[RedCoKid]

You ought to use that as your custom title.

I like that idea.

US National Debt

[burgundy]

The National Debt:

as of 6/30/1950: 257 billion dollars
as of 12/31/1980: 930 billion dollars
as of 9/30/1992: 4 trillion dollars
as of 9/30/2000: 5.7 trillion dollars
as of yesterday: 7.1 trillion dollars

It doesn't take a math major to see which party is worse at mismanaging our money.

http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opd.htm

[RedCoKid]

Growing up, if I wanted to buy a $10 Transformers toy but only had $1 in my pocket, my parents would let me take out a loan on future weeks' allowances ($1.50/week = 6 weeks of loan) to make up the difference. If I saw another toy the following week, too bad. My brothers and I would take opportunities like this to tease each other about having spent our money, and to this day I've learned to be fiscally responsible with my paychecks.

It makes me wonder, why is the government so bad with money management while I'm not? If the government would tax me more to pay off the debt, I'd still be in the black. wtf is wrong with them?


"Compassionate Conservatism" is code speak for "Cut taxes but don't decrease spending. Let the next generation pay it off."

[Melf]

Still waiting to hear why the hell I should be comfortable with a deficit of $477 BILLION DOLLARS.

For some reason you remind me of Dr. Evil when you say it like that.

[Diff-chan]

I got a job this summer doing activism for the Environment.

That's right - diffusionx is gonna be an enviro-hippie this summer.

[frostwolf ex]

Stop right there. Those two situations don't even compare.



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why not, your only piece of evidence agaisnt him is that he prayed for guidence,and i said so did truman, where is the problem? provide me with the difference, because i see none.

[StriderKyo]

why not, your only piece of evidence agaisnt him is that he prayed for guidence,and i said so did truman, where is the problem? provide me with the difference, because i see none.

None!? Truman was faced with either sending a million of his own men to their probable deaths, with the same number of casualties on the Japanese side, with who knows how many civilian deaths and the ruin of what was left of the country itself - vs. using the most unimaginably horrible weapon ever concieved by the mind of man to end the war in a single plane flight.

THAT is the kind of decision you need divine advice for.

Dubya was not forced to do anything. There was no evidence whatsoever that Iraq had anything - that's why the UN wouldn't go in for it. Of the "evidence" they claimed they had, half of it was fake, some amateurishly so. So unless you think some school kid's essay fooled Jesus in to backing the war, I think it's pretty safe to assume Dubya's "guidance" came from his own inner messianic delusions, not the ascended embodiment of God's love for mankind.

[Diff-chan]

Really? The UN knew there were no WMDs? Im not quite sure about that. Everything I've read indicates that the UN had no idea if Iraq actually had them, but the UN assumed that they did. Iraq's stubbornness didn't help anything, either. They were not exactly forthright with the information.

And now that we have learned about the corruption of the UN Oil-for-Food program, which went right up the politicial ladder in countries like, oh look at this, France, Germany and Russia, is it really any surprise that there was opposition in the UN to this?

Strider, face reality, the UN opposition wasn't because of WMDs, it was because the leaders of those countries were protecting their interests in a corrupt system that enriched a dictator.

As for just who Bush consults or talks to before he does anything, I dont think it matters one bit. People have been consulting God before they do things for thousands of years, dude. Some people are cool hip atheists, and for others God figures prominently in their life. For Bush it's clearly the latter and I don't see how you can slag the guy for him.

It all comes down to actions - either you like the actions or you don't. You clearly don't, so don't vote for him. Wait, you're not American, so you can't vote.

[burgundy]

I am of the opinion that Bush's executive decisions reference his religious beliefs in a manner that goes way beyond simply praying on a tough call. But as of now I lack evidence to back that opinion up.

In closing, 477 BILLION DOLLARS.

[frostwolf ex]

None!? Truman was faced with either sending a million of his own men to their probable deaths, with the same number of casualties on the Japanese side, with who knows how many civilian deaths and the ruin of what was left of the country itself - vs. using the most unimaginably horrible weapon ever concieved by the mind of man to end the war in a single plane flight.

THAT is the kind of decision you need divine advice for.

Dubya was not forced to do anything. There was no evidence whatsoever that Iraq had anything - that's why the UN wouldn't go in for it. Of the "evidence" they claimed they had, half of it was fake, some amateurishly so. So unless you think some school kid's essay fooled Jesus in to backing the war, I think it's pretty safe to assume Dubya's "guidance" came from his own inner messianic delusions, not the ascended embodiment of God's love for mankind.

in reality both situations are just that. praying for guidence is, in the end, looking to what you beleive is right and taking your stab,and asking god to not let you fall too far on your face, its still all you, you are just hoping for better dice rolls. i am not arguing the situations being different, i am arguing that you are making a straw man of his beliefs to pillory a guy who can have a lot of more substantiative criticisms leveled at him, such as burg's number, or the number of lost jobs, or worst of all for conservatives, the amount that a republican enlarged government, not good form in our dark and lightless hearts. and when you make a blanket statement like you started with, you implicate that the beleif system motivated him to his act, honstly, it was revenge, or maybe misguided altruism, or whatever, but it sure as fuck wasnt him really thinking "jesus told him to" botom line, it was a stupid comment and i called you on it, and i still am.

Really? The UN knew there were no WMDs? Im not quite sure about that. Everything I've read indicates that the UN had no idea if Iraq actually had them, but the UN assumed that they did. Iraq's stubbornness didn't help anything, either. They were not exactly forthright with the information.

And now that we have learned about the corruption of the UN Oil-for-Food program, which went right up the politicial ladder in countries like, oh look at this, France, Germany and Russia, is it really any surprise that there was opposition in the UN to this?

Strider, face reality, the UN opposition wasn't because of WMDs, it was because the leaders of those countries were protecting their interests in a corrupt system that enriched a dictator.

As for just who Bush consults or talks to before he does anything, I dont think it matters one bit. People have been consulting God before they do things for thousands of years, dude. Some people are cool hip atheists, and for others God figures prominently in their life. For Bush it's clearly the latter and I don't see how you can slag the guy for him.

It all comes down to actions - either you like the actions or you don't. You clearly don't, so don't vote for him. Wait, you're not American, so you can't vote.

every time i want to hate you, you make me love you...in a strictly homosexual way of course

I am of the opinion that Bush's executive decisions reference his religious beliefs in a manner that goes way beyond simply praying on a tough call. But as of now I lack evidence to back that opinion up.

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you know ill be waiting when you are ready, i can bring some pancakes if ya want.