Batman info and partial script review

[Giltch]

Most likely. Things like that have to be prepared well in advance. But at the same time, the stories go through countless changes as the movie is actually starting to come together, do to technical difficulties, editing issues, etc, so the final versions will most likely have at least a few major changes.

[Rumpy]

Odds are they are just treatments. They've (Nolan and Goyer) talked about where they want to take the series for another 2 movies and I wouldn't be suprised if there is at least a draft of 2 made, but the third I'd be suprised.

[Cowutopia]

Had I read the novels, I would have enjoyed it a lot more. I would have had something to base the film off of. It's still an alright film on its own but it didnt cut it for me.

Me too.

Batman is great though. Go see it.

[Taito]

She annoyed me in some scenes but I think she did serve a purpose.After Joe Chill got shot and Bruce admitted what he planned on doing, her little trip to the seedier part of Gotham and the couple of smacks she served him helped Bruce to realize he needed to do something more, and not fall into the whiny bitch/revenge pitfall.After that and his confrontation with Carmine he knew he had to do something more with his life.So to me she did serve a purpose,but she was annoying in some scenes like I said.

Her role was handled better than the other love interests in the previous series. I'm just tired of seeing the same romance subplot in every Batman movie, including this reinvention of the franchise.

Come on - every good movie has to end with a bang not a whimper.

I expected a smarter climax than the 'destroy the city/world' device (yes, I know that's more or less what comic villains do, but how many times have we seen this plot device in a comic story?), especially considering how well the rest of the movie was handled.

AHEM* - Batman BEGINS

I liked that he wasnt perfect/totally superhuman and needed to depend on other peope a little more in this one - with Lucius Fox, Gordon, Alfred, etc.It gave those characters a lot more importance,and didnt diminsh from Batman much at all. But, I would like to see him doing more detective work , like in say "Long Halloween" in the next one.Think of this as Batman Year One - hes still in the learning phase...

Inexperience is a convenient excuse for not recognizing Scarecrow's poison/antidote. That doesn't explain way he acted like such a layman in some scenes. You can't simply 'become' a sleuthing genius overnight (at least not naturally).

It would have been nice if, at the party, Wayne told al Ghul that he's been on to him from the start, and outlined any clues that gave away his identity. That would at least establish to the audience that Wayne has a deductive mind, inexperienced or not.

You know, I think the character of Jack Napier was just created for Burton's Batman.If I'm not mistaken the comic origin of Joker didnt have him as a gangster, but a down on his luck schmuck who tried his hand, at the criminal world and failed horribly.And I'm sure he didnt go by Jack Napier.I'll have to go dig up "Killing Joke" to double check that though.

I'm pretty sure the comics adopted Jack Napier as the Joker's official alter ego. He never went by have a name before the movies (same with Selina Kyle as Catwoman. I think the same goes for X-Men's Magneto after the movie came up with the name Eric Magnus Lehnsherr).

Like I said, the 'Joker' character in Batman '89 is completely inaccurate (and my biggest complaint about that movie). When I said Jack Napier I was referring to character (in the comics, or specifically, from The Killing Joke) before he actually became the Joker.


Another problem I have with this film is the unwarranted 'all-star cast.' For one, it just reeks of fanservice to see a bloated ensemble cast of 'cult' movie stars (American Psycho, Blade Runner, Leon, 28 Days Later, Last Samurai, director of Memento, etc.) in one movie. Also, the likes of Rutger Hauer, Gary Oldman and Ken Watanabe aren't meant for minor supporting roles. The major characters brought a lot to the move (Liam Neeson and Cillian Murphy were just awesome in their roles; Morgan Freeman was great as well) while the others were a waste of talent in my opinion.

Finally, while Christian Bale did a good job, I can't say that he's the quintessential Batman/Bruce Wayne. Bale benefitted from the best Batman script ever script more than anything. I'd put both Val Kilmer and even Michael Keaton (in that order) ahead of Bale. And nobody beats Adam West as Wayne, in my book. His voice and charisma were perfect for the role (despite the laughably camp nature of the TV series).

But really guys, I loved the movie. Just a few minor gripes for the sake of argument.

[rezo]

(same with Selina Kyle as Catwoman. I think the same goes for X-Men's Magneto after the movie came up with the name Eric Magnus Lehnsherr).

Magneto's name didn't come from the X-men movie. I'd guess the same for Catwoman.

[Rumpy]

Pretty sure they used Magnetos real name back in the Xmen animated series. I think he always had a real name from the comics too.

[Mzo]

Another problem I have with this film is the unwarranted 'all-star cast.' For one, it just reeks of fanservice to see a bloated ensemble cast of 'cult' movie stars (American Psycho, Blade Runner, Leon, 28 Days Later, Last Samurai, director of Memento, etc.) in one movie. Also, the likes of Rutger Hauer, Gary Oldman and Ken Watanabe aren't meant for minor supporting roles. The major characters brought a lot to the move (Liam Neeson and Cillian Murphy were just awesome in their roles; Morgan Freeman was great as well) while the others were a waste of talent in my opinion.

WB took a big chance on Christian Bale, in their opinion, since his last few movies didn't light up shit. So they padded the cast around him with stars.

[mollipen]

Inexperience is a convenient excuse for not recognizing Scarecrow's poison/antidote. That doesn't explain way he acted like such a layman in some scenes. You can't simply 'become' a sleuthing genius overnight (at least not naturally).

If you aren't used to playing detective, you aren't going to notice things that need to be noticed. The more you get into those kinds of situations where you are trying to figure things out, the more you're going to notice that stuff, start to understand what to look for, simply have a mind for paying attention to everything around you, etc. Your common everyday person, when the are living their lives every day, they don't bother to notice everything around them and make mental profiles. When you get into police work, detective work, etc. you're trained to do that. You can be a smart person, but still not have the knack of picking up on things or whatnot.

It makes perfect sense. Nobody is saying he's going to become a master detective overnight. The more he gets involved in crime, and begins to understand what to watch out for, or simply to always make note of who and what is around him at all times, he'll obviously get better at it.

It would have been nice if, at the party, Wayne told al Ghul that he's been on to him from the start, and outlined any clues that gave away his identity. That would at least establish to the audience that Wayne has a deductive mind, inexperienced or not.

That also would have been far more unrealistic and ridiculous. He's a rich kid who, up until that point, has only really trained physically, not mentally.

Another problem I have with this film is the unwarranted 'all-star cast.' For one, it just reeks of fanservice to see a bloated ensemble cast of 'cult' movie stars (American Psycho, Blade Runner, Leon, 28 Days Later, Last Samurai, director of Memento, etc.) in one movie. Also, the likes of Rutger Hauer, Gary Oldman and Ken Watanabe aren't meant for minor supporting roles. The major characters brought a lot to the move (Liam Neeson and Cillian Murphy were just awesome in their roles; Morgan Freeman was great as well) while the others were a waste of talent in my opinion.

Why is it a waste? The job of an actor is to play a part, and act. Where does it say they always have to be the starring role? Gary Oldman was perfect for the role that he was put in, and though the part was small, he made it work well. The goal of a real actor isn't to always have top billing, but to bring the best he can bring to the parts s/he is put into.

[Rumpy]

If you aren't used to playing detective, you aren't going to notice things that need to be noticed. The more you get into those kinds of situations where you are trying to figure things out, the more you're going to notice that stuff, start to understand what to look for, simply have a mind for paying attention to everything around you, etc. Your common everyday person, when the are living their lives every day, they don't bother to notice everything around them and make mental profiles. When you get into police work, detective work, etc. you're trained to do that. You can be a smart person, but still not have the knack of picking up on things or whatnot.

It makes perfect sense. Nobody is saying he's going to become a master detective overnight. The more he gets involved in crime, and begins to understand what to watch out for, or simply to always make note of who and what is around him at all times, he'll obviously get better at it.

Why is it a waste? The job of an actor is to play a part, and act. Where does it say they always have to be the starring role? Gary Oldman was perfect for the role that he was put in, and though the part was small, he made it work well. The goal of a real actor isn't to always have top billing, but to bring the best he can bring to the parts s/he is put into.

To expand on this more...no one outside of his test subjects (as far as we know) had ever met the Scarecrow let alone knew that Crane was making that gas. The first time he meets the Scarecrow he gets hit with it and is knocked senseless for 2 days. Is Bruce a chemist? How could he possibly know? And by the sounds of it Fox saved his life after Alfred called him when he was getting worse. Hell, before Fox tells him what the gas did Bruce asks him if he's going to understand wtf he's going to tell him! He'd been gone for seven years training in the mountains, not in a science lab. No one is born a master detective. It takes years of experiance to become what Batman ultimatly becomes. His encounters over the years let's him build profiles-knowing their MO's and tactics.

And I also agree with Shidoshi's comments on the actors. Because it's a comic movie only certain average actors should be considered for parts? Why limit a production like that? Then you get into a scenario where the lead is great and the rest of the movie doesn't hold up due to a shitty supporting cast. Begins was great because all of it's elements were great. I don't think any actor is really "over qualified" for any movie (aside from maybe a Pauly Shore flick).

[Glass Joe]

That has ALWAYS been Magneto's name. That's one of the only thing about the X Men movie that was done right.