The Passion of the Christ

[lithium]

So Satan talking to Jesus at the very beginning, that really was artistic license?

[Captain Vegetable]

Why was Satan there at all? Is that in any account? I know Satan makes physical appearances in the Bible, I just never realized he did at these moments.

And I thought Satan was very well executed.

Satan was there because Satan followed Jesus around, mocking Him and trying to convince Him not to go through with His Father's will.

It isn't written in any specific account, but that's probably the way it went down.

no, satan and jesus only lock horns when jesus does his 40 days in the desert thing.

That isn't necessarily true. There are tons of "Get behind me, Satan"'s, and "The Lord rebuke you"'s. Satan followed Jesus around everywhere He went.

[frostwolf ex]

It's stuff like this that makes me glad Im not Catholic.

I mean, believing in the Bible, and Jesus Christ, and that he died for our sins, etc., is a huge enough leap of faith as it is.

it is tough, but all the same, i would hate to be limited only to 4 books that were included in the final version of the bible. the jews have a major oral tradition, called(i beleive, help me out here stone and sleeve,) the midrash, they were very strong on passing on history by having a spoken component to the religion as well, so i dont think all there is to know was in the four gosples. so to some degree i belive catholics as the keepers of the fullest existing record of the events surrounding jesus. As opposed to only the written portions. As i said it before, if i werent catholic,i would have a hard time being christian.

[lithium]

Now is it just me or was the reason for Christ's death not explained well? I mean why the Jews wanted him dead, and why the Romans had to get involved, not the spiritual reasons.

[Captain Vegetable]

No, they weren't explained really well, but that was done on purpose. Mel was focusing on the words specifically surrounding the chapters involving Jesus' death. All of the other explanation type stuff is found in other chapters, like the Pharasees plot on Jesus life. In the movie, we don't get to see the plotting, just the end result.

Hey, there's a good excuse for you to go and read the Bible. Find out all the particulars.

[frostwolf ex]

Satan was there because Satan followed Jesus around, mocking Him and trying to convince Him not to go through with His Father's will.

It isn't written in any specific account, but that's probably the way it went down.



That isn't necessarily true. There are tons of "Get behind me, Satan"'s, and "The Lord rebuke you"'s. Satan followed Jesus around everywhere He went.

yes, but now you are getting into the physical presence of satan, vurses his "Realm" of temptation. a "get thee behind me satan" was said to peter at the garden, when he seemed to be giving a temptation for jesus to flee, he was doing the job of satan, but in the 40 days exile, he is supposed to have physically confronted the devil, who temped him with weakness. Otherwise, the devil was within every single person there, because every human is beholden to temptation ,and thus could be manipulated(kind of an agent smith complex). keep in mind, jesus NOT beign crucified would have been a win for the devil,and tempting him to fail was done with the best intentions.

[Captain Vegetable]

And, frostwolf, for as much as I joke with you about being Catholic, I think you're right. Paul even states that not only his written word be preached, but his oral teachings as well. I tend to agree that the Catholics have more of the truth than any given Protestant denomination.

[frostwolf ex]

And, frostwolf, for as much as I joke with you about being Catholic, I think you're right. Paul even states that not only his written word be preached, but his oral teachings as well. I tend to agree that the Catholics have more of the truth than any given Protestant denomination.

but, i will be clear here, i am not bashing the protestents,just what i can follow, if ya with jesus, youre on the side i try to follow(with mixed results).

[Captain Vegetable]

yes, but now you are getting into the physical presence of satan, vurses his "Realm" of temptation. a "get thee behind me satan" was said to peter at the garden, when he seemed to be giving a temptation for jesus to flee, he was doing the job of satan, but in the 40 days exile, he is supposed to have physically confronted the devil, who temped him with weakness. Otherwise, the devil was within every single person there, because every human is beholden to temptation ,and thus could be manipulated(kind of an agent smith complex). keep in kind, jesus NOT beign crucified would have been a win for the devil,and tempting him to fail was done with the best intentions.

I can see where you're coming from. It looks like we agree. I'm not for a second proposing that Satan was there phisically, or even spiritually, but I can see how correct Mel's interpretation can, in fact, be.

but, i will be clear here, i am not bashing the protestents [...]

Well, I am!

[NightWolve]

Oh im not good enough?????????

anyhow, the thing i think youa re being hung up on is the fully god/fully human thing. there were a number of heresies that declared that jesus was one or the other, but contemporary catholic thought is that he was fully both. The God side gives the sacrifice meanting, as well as showing that the sacrifice was made by one who coudl have saved himself. the human part shows that it really, really hurt, and was not just a show that was as effective as killing a vampire with a machine gun.

and the throwing back coins thing is in matthew27(3-10)

Hehe. Well, CV's spelling/grammar is, you know, better... ^^

But yeah, that's cool. Personally, as Greek Orthodox, I did learn the concept of trinity, but I always had a little trouble with it. But, God is "creator," mono-theistic and Jesus his son to be sacrificed as I've understood it to be. Holy spirit is kinda lost on me though =\. Not as well read as you either way. I had limited private schooling on my native language, so that made things more difficult.