The Passion of the Christ

[frostwolf ex]

actually night, i read the persons of god as emergent characters for different "ages" of the bible. the father is OT, powerful, impersonal, violent, a creator who begins man's full appreciation of him with the original covenent, also, ot god is present on earth, supposedly in the inner area of the temple. Jesus' person becomes more pronounced in the nt, God becomes kinder, softer, less intervention minded,and more pacifistic. The holy spirit is the oddest persona, because it has no real personality or even gender, it is now, God directly intervenes in events almost never, is almost entirely detached, and is carried more on the tongues of the apostles, whom it gave the gift of the translating flames during the pentecost,and ostensably in christians everywhere. My own opinion on the matter is that each persona existed before itmade itsself felt, so the hs will be defined one day, but it has not been defined yet on earth, maybe its what we deal with on death, or maybe in some other major world event, but we dont know the Holy spirit as well because it has not become fully known to humans yet.


yeah, religion can be pretty weird at times
P.S. night, what was your native language?

[Gohron]

I finally got out to see this movie tonight, just got back not too long ago. It had a real strong affect on me as a Christian and follower of Jesus, it made me think that he died so I could lie, cheat, lust, etc. when he didn't have to. The movie was extremely powerful emotionally, the music combined with the suffering of Jesus went right into me (even if you're not a Christian I would still think the movie would have a powerful emotional effect on you). The violence was brutal but not as bad as I thought it was going to be. There was a few times when I had tears swell up in my eyes but I didn't cry (not something that comes easy to me anymore unfortunately).

[mollipen]

Actually, about this Veronica... I remember hearing that Mel also used as reference material the visions of somebody when making the movie. (Damned if I can remember who she was.) Would this also be where Veronica comes in, or were her visions in relation to a different element that was put into the movie?

[Captain Vegetable]

I've been explaining the Trinity for a few years now, and though my explanation is largely flawed, it still helps others to understand what God is.

God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are all equally God. The Son, however, willingly submits to the Father, and the Spirit willingly submits to the Son. In this reguard, the Spirit glorifies the Son, and the Son glorifies the Father.

The Son glorifies the Father by doing His will, flawlessly. It was the Father who willed the creation of all things, and it was Jesus, the Son, who actually created it. This point is illustrated in the Bible all throughout.

Now what about the Spirit? Jesus creates all things, yes? But it is by the Spirit's power that He does so. In doing this, the Spirit glorifies the Son, because everything the Spirit does is at the behest of the Son.

So, in short, the Father wills it, the Son preforms it, but through the power of the Holy Spirit.

Keep in mind that the Hebrew word for "God" is a plural word. That is how they can all be the same, but all different at the same time. They are all the same God, and equally so, as God is not a singular entity. At the same time, they all exist as seperate persons. The Son is God, the Father is God, and the Spirit is God, but the Son is not the Spirit, and the Father is not the Son.

I hope that helps. If any clarification is needed, just holla, yo.

Actually, about this Veronica... I remember hearing that Mel also used as reference material the visions of somebody when making the movie. (Damned if I can remember who she was.) Would this also be where Veronica comes in, or were her visions in relation to a different element that was put into the movie?

I believe the visions you're talking about involve Mary, the Mother of God, not Veronica. Though where, exactly, the visions are borrowed from in the film I do not know.

[NightWolve]

...stuff...

Yeah, that pretty much sounds right regarding God's changes from OT to NT.

yeah, religion can be pretty weird at times
P.S. night, what was your native language?

Well, might've been more correct to say my parent's native language. I'm first generation Greek; born/raised in Chicago. I went to a private Greek elementary school for about 7/8 years (alongside with public school) to learn it and keep ties to my heritage, so to speak. Problem with the Greek Church is that they mix it up a bit with Ancient Greek . But, ya know, I could've been less lazy in my younger years. I sometimes go to an American church though to get a taste of different styles.

Ah, check this out peeps:



Awww... poor guy... Mike will love this one.

"Crucify him! Crucify him! Crucify him!"

[Captain Vegetable]

Hey, Night, I've been to a Greek Orthodox service before, and I must say I loved it. Couldn't understand a damned thing the priest was saying, but the atmousphere made it so I didn't even have to.

It was a great experience. Orthodoxy is OK in my book.

HAW-HAW! Stern is such a joke. I hope he makes good on his obviously empty threats and takes himself off the air due to greatly increased FCC fines.

[NightWolve]

Couldn't understand a damned thing the priest was saying, but the atmousphere made it so I didn't even have to.

Yeah, you're telling me... Hehe. Very traditional in atmosphere, true enough. However, I think the message of spreading the word of God is lost somewhat. It helps keep the culture together, I think, at least. If you saw "My Big Fat Greek Wedding" that's pretty much us in a nutshell... Right down to the old grandma dressed in black yelling, "You filthy Turks..."

[Captain Vegetable]

HA! I did see the movie, and I must admit it was good. The series sucked nuts, but the film was good.

And being an Italian Jew, I can attest to the same behavior, at least among my relatives.

[sleeve]

Actually, about this Veronica... I remember hearing that Mel also used as reference material the visions of somebody when making the movie. (Damned if I can remember who she was.) Would this also be where Veronica comes in, or were her visions in relation to a different element that was put into the movie?

That would be Anne Catherine Emmerich, a 19th century German nun and anti-Semite.

In another vision, she received the confession of an old Jewish woman in purgatory who told her that the Jews slaughtered Christian babies and used them to thicken the Passover matzo.

[Captain Vegetable]

In another vision, she received the confession of an old Jewish woman in purgatory who told her that the Jews slaughtered Christian babies and used them to thicken the Passover matzo.

You mean, they didn't?

And sleeve, you make it sound as if her "other" visions were validated by the church. There is an extremely extensive research period, in which the vision is proven truth or falsehood. Not every vision that this nun had was accredited by the church.

Also, you seem to want to disavow her accredited visions simply because she was an anti-semite. Be a bit more objective, eh?