Anti-Gay Marriage Constitutional Amendments?

[Stone]

What is the historical basis of marriage? I know it's a Catholic sacrament but I also assume marriage (at least in concept) existed before and outside of Judeo-Christianity.

Were marriages ever presided over by states, or were they handled exclusively by religious bodies? I guess the question is irrelevant since the separation of church and state is relatively new.

My problem with any argument that opposes gay marriage (not just the amendment) is that they all reference religion, and religion needs to stay out of government.

Marriage exists because the state wants people to produce babies. Population growth is good, and marriage is promoted and encouraged in order to promote and encouage population growth.

A family with a mother and a father is, on average, by far the best environment for a child to grow up in. An average mother-father family will do a better job of raising a child than an average single parent, or average gay or lesbian couple. The states want children to be as healthy as possible.

Marriage has always existed because the state benefits by the promotion traditional child-producing families. That's all.

[bbobb]

Marriage exists because the state wants people to produce babies. Population growth is good, and marriage is promoted and encouraged in order to promote and encouage population growth.

A family with a mother and a father is, on average, by far the best environment for a child to grow up in. An average mother-father family will do a better job of raising a child than an average single parent, or average gay or lesbian couple. The states want children to be as healthy as possible.

Marriage has always existed because the state benefits by the promotion traditional child-producing families. That's all.

I find it hard to believe that this is the entire reason. I could see this as ONE of the reasons but not the the only one. You got some proof?

[Stone]

"We like marriage because it makes healthy babies."
-Mr. Western Civilization, c. 1865

[AstroBlue]

Marriage exists because the state wants people to produce babies. Population growth is good, and marriage is promoted and encouraged in order to promote and encouage population growth.

A family with a mother and a father is, on average, by far the best environment for a child to grow up in. An average mother-father family will do a better job of raising a child than an average single parent, or average gay or lesbian couple. The states want children to be as healthy as possible.

Marriage has always existed because the state benefits by the promotion traditional child-producing families. That's all.

For one thing, population growth is only good in families who can support their children and will create good little productive consumers. In poverty, children are a burden to the economy since they will take more than they give through reliance on welfare. Now, who are more likely to have babies, people living in poverty, or urban professionals... ?

Marriage exists because it is a cultural thing that has been in place ever since the ice age began to defrost, and humans began started to settle for agriculture. It then become important to bind your daughter to a male who cultivated the most land, to ensure she would have grandchildren. It's basically just a co-op between a provider (male) and a mother (female).

Any straight person can easily make a baby; all we have to do is fuck and there it is. You don't need to want to have a baby to have sex, all you have to be is a heterosexual human over 13-16 y/o with red blood and a penis or vagina. Gay people on the other hand, there is no way they can get a baby on accident, they can't accidentally go up to the adoption counter and accidentally complete a mountain of paperwork, and accidentally pay a large sum of money. The most important thing a child needs is parents that WANT them and LOVE them, with gays that is a sure thing. So I'd go as far to say that on average gays would make better parents, since it's a sure thing they wanted to be parents.

[Joust Williams]

"The most important thing a child needs is parents that WANT them and LOVE them, with gays that is a sure thing"

No it's not.

[AstroBlue]

Who's more likely to love a child, a gay that wants them, or a straight that doesn't want them?

I don't want anyone to get defensive because they think I'm devaluing straight marriages. I'm straight and eventually want to have kids, why would I devalue my own future life? I'm just saying I think stupid irresponsible people having babies is more of a social problem then gays having babies.

[Fe 26]

I'm just saying I think stupid irresponsible people having babies is more of a social problem then gays having babies.

Damn strait

Vote AstroBlue for the ban on stupid assholes breeding

[sleeve]

Marriage exists because the state wants people to produce babies.

Marriage exists to protect and support the acquisition of property.

[Nic0]

What is the historical basis of marriage? I know it's a Catholic sacrament but I also assume marriage (at least in concept) existed before and outside of Judeo-Christianity.

Marriage was established when God created Adam and Eve...first married couple.

where is seperation of church and state in the constitution anyway?

[g0zen]

Marriage was established when God created Adam and Eve...first married couple.

where is seperation of church and state in the constitution anyway?

The First 10 Amendents form the Bill of Rights, the first of which starts like so.

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

If you read the first sentence you can clearly see how GW trying to make marriage be defined as between a man and a woman is a religious distinction (by the assertion you yourself made that the first marriage was made by "God" between "Adam" and "Eve"), and is thus clearly unconstitutional because the Congress is forbidden to make such a law or amendment.