Anti-Gay Marriage Constitutional Amendments?

[Nic0]

Actually that ammendment is making it so the government can't set up a nation wide religion. It has nothing to do with "seperation of church and state". It's been twisted to mean that but it doesn't.

[g0zen]

No...Read it..Yes, it's main purpose is to prevent a state-sponsered church, but it also serves to keep ANY church from directly influencing the government by not allowing the Congress to make laws with a religious context. There is separation of Church and State, and I'm eternally thankful for it.

[Nic0]

I still dont see this part about the church not being allowed to affect government. I still think its being twisted to say that. It doesn't directly set it up. People believe it implies it but it deosn't.
If Gay marriage is made legal so be it...the world is just moving closer to destruction. What I get mad about is what is happening in California where that mayor directly breaks the law and nothing is done. If you want gay marriage you have to have patience till its passed. (if it is)

Without absolutes there is only chaos. Religion sets up absolutes. Without a code of morality the country will decline rapidly.
Our country was founded on the basis of a religion..to completely remove religion from government you would need to remove all the laws because where does morality stem from? religion.

[g0zen]

Science sets up absolutes. Morality does not need a religious context; if you're only being a good person because you fear punishment (from god or Man) then you miss the point. Chaos can be just as easily CREATED by religion as it can be prevented. Our country was founded on the basis of FREEDOM and EQUALITY, not religion.

Without Civil Disobediance to unjust laws, there would be no USA. Have we so quickly forgotten the Boston Tea Party? Should all those men have suffered the punishment due to them for breaking the laws? No. They clearly saw the law was wrong and felt that by breaking it they were showing they would not stand for injustice. That is what this country was founded on.

The First Amendment hasn't been 'twisted' to mean separation of Church and State, it has been interpreted as such for the betterment of the American people as a whole. The Supreme Court's job is to intrepret the Constitution, which the Congress amends and the President helps ratify. That's how the system works.

[AstroBlue]

Morality =/= Religion

If you think so, I'll kill you without blinking

[Nic0]

me=owned I guess hahaha....although I still believe what I believe. I just don't know enough to successfully debate on it..haha oh well.

[bbobb]

I still dont see this part about the church not being allowed to affect government. I still think its being twisted to say that. It doesn't directly set it up. People believe it implies it but it deosn't.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.

In other words no laws that have anything at all to do with establishing anything religious.
If they only wanted to prevent a state established religion it would have read:

Congress shall make no law establishing a religion.

It was worded that way specifically for that reason. The actual term "seperation of church and state" comes from letters written by Thomas Jefferson who was a firm believer in that. He felt that the government and religion should have no ties whatsoever as it just leads to corruption and problems on both ends.

Without absolutes there is only chaos. Religion sets up absolutes. Without a code of morality the country will decline rapidly.
Our country was founded on the basis of a religion..to completely remove religion from government you would need to remove all the laws because where does morality stem from? religion.

Actually Jefferson and many of the other Forefathers would disagree with you. Jefferson, Washington, Franklin and more were all Deists who believed in Enlightenment principles. They believed that there are integral morals that everyone is born with... they all shared a dislike for the organized religions of their day. Morality stems from Humans and their society, not religion.

[AstroBlue]

But there's no way you are born with morals... because wild children are violent little cunts.

[Gohron]

But there's no way you are born with morals... because wild children are violent little cunts.

That's a good point (assuming you're serious), the funny thing I see with Atheists and the like is why the hell do you follow any system of morales whatsoever? There's no consquences in a lot of cases and life is short. If I wasn't a Christian and I believed Darwinism in-depth I would probably barricade myself in my house and kill a shitload of people, if I survive then it's cool but if I die what was the point of my existance anyway? I guess maybe I'm just a little crazy and my ties with faith keep me in line...but who knows.

[Lobo]

That's a good point (assuming you're serious), the funny thing I see with Atheists and the like is why the hell do you follow any system of morales whatsoever? There's no consquences in a lot of cases and life is short. If I wasn't a Christian and I believed Darwinism in-depth I would probably barricade myself in my house and kill a shitload of people, if I survive then it's cool but if I die what was the point of my existance anyway? I guess maybe I'm just a little crazy and my ties with faith keep me in line...but who knows.

No, you wouldn't.

Or if you would, you are conforming to the fact that you're nothing more than a deity’s trained lap-dog.