Anti-Gay Marriage Constitutional Amendments?

[Gohron]

No, that's not random. Say that you're a moth and being greyer makes you more likely to survive because owls can't see you on the side of steel buildings. Owls will kill the light moths and the darker moths will survive. It would only be random if their lightness had no effect on the Owls vision and it PWNED them randomly. Selection is the opposite of randomness, so since Natural Selection is the basis of Evolution...

If there was a Lottery that only selected numbers with a 9 in them out of 30 balls, would it still be completely random? i.e. That all balls have the same chance of being drawn?

Hmmm, I'm gonna have to think on that one, but the basis and broad scale of Evolution still seems like a lot of random things that came together to me. My thoughts are sort of like this: If a bunch of people just make utterly random posts on TNL without knowledge of what the previous person said then eventually you're going to get a thread that makes sense, even if it takes a million years.

[AstroBlue]

There you go. Do you, perhaps, see... blah blah blah... right-wing bullshit... wank wank wank... oh the USSR had the same shit in their constitution so it MUST be bad... wank wank wank.. your point-of-view.

In Soviet Russia, you save Jesus.

My thoughts are sort of like this: If a bunch of people just make utterly random posts on TNL without knowledge of what the previous person said then eventually you're going to get a thread that makes sense, even if it takes a million years.

That's not evolution, because that would be random. It would only be evolution if coherent or funny posts were selected; and incoherent posts were moderated.

[Captain Vegetable]

In Soviet Russia, you save Jesus.

Wow. Way to totally misuse this TNL convention.

[Gohron]

That's not evolution, because that would be random. It would only be evolution if coherent or funny posts were selected; and incoherent posts were moderated.

Well lets say that each thread contained 10 random posts and you eventually came up with one thread that makes sense, wouldn't the others naturally be moderated by fading into obscurity because of their lack of intelligent or senseful material?

[NightWolve]

In Soviet Russia, you save Jesus.

Awe... You didn't like that. What did I do now?? Is there something wrong with that particular amendment? Cause it looks good to me and there wouldn't be a debate about separation of church and state if it was explicitly spelled out that way in ours. Thus, all would be well across the land evermore...

[Captain Vegetable]

Natural Selection still doesn't explain our proposed origins out of random scientific and mathematic impossability.

The events that took place after the Bag Bang were random, as well as our eventual formation from the random collision of protiens and ameno acids.

Natural Selection is as valid a belief as any, but when we're talking about evolution, we're specifically not talking about Natural Selection.

[AstroBlue]

Wow. Way to totally misuse this TNL convention.

Why? The whole point of the Smirnof convention is to put emphasis on control and suppresion of the USSR. By saying "In Soviet Russian, you save Jesus" I was implying that because religion was so supressed it required the will of the people to maintain Christianity. Sorry if I offended.

[bbobb]

Um, the Declaration of Independence references God, and most of the state constitutions mention God in some form or another.

Most laws of the United States come from christian origin. Else things like polygamy wouldn't be illegal. Morality is defined by society, religion just keeps society's sense of morality stable.

However SOME PEOPLE will take things out of context purposely to do what they want.

The Declaration of Independence does not reference the Christian God, when Jefferson wrote it he was referencing the Deistic God of Nature. In fact he specifically says Nature's God. As I mentioned before Jefferson was a follower of Thomas Paine and the Enlightment principles, he was not Christian.

Here's a little secret for you. The US was not founded as a CHRISTIAN nation. It was founded as a FREE nation. And to keep said nation free, religion needs to stay out of the government.

http://www.departments.bucknell.edu/...04.html#chap10
There you go. Do you, perhaps, see it now?? I chose my bolding carefully to help in the process... That's the constitution g0zen is going by... Now sure, Stalin was a little more extreme in achieving this glorious goal and others by actually bull dozing churches, decapitating priests, liquidating millions, but here, we're much nicer with our anti-Christian sentiment... So, be happy your courts and other high level institutions have been hijacked by the Left and have groups like the ACLU who will implement the strategy a little differently, gradually... As you can see, the Soviets also felt that the government and religion should have no ties whatsoever (for awhile at least) as it just leads to corruption and problems on both ends. Worked out pretty good too, I would say, depending on your point-of-view.

Very cute... except for the fact that the USSR never followed their constitution. Meanwhile we in the US do.

[AstroBlue]

Natural Selection still doesn't explain our proposed origins out of random scientific and mathematic impossability.

The events that took place after the Bag Bang were random, as well as our eventual formation from the random collision of protiens and ameno acids.

Natural Selection is as valid a belief as any, but when we're talking about evolution, we're specifically not talking about Natural Selection.

Evolution has nothing to do with creation, it is the explaination of selected change in organisms that already exist. Even if God create life it would still evolve. Saying that evolution doesn't exist because we can't explain how life started would be like saying that God can't exist because we can't explain how he just exists and wasn't created. Natural Selection IS evolution.

[Frogacuda]

The reason I follow morales and don't go and do a bunch of bad shit is because I'm a Christian like I said, and Jesus taught patience and love and those are the beliefs and code of morales that I subscribe to.

That's like saying "I kill jews because I'm a Nazi and Hitler taught hatred and genocide, and those are things I beleive in".

You're not really saying anything when you make this kind of claim, you're just begging the question. In order to accept that Jesus and his teachings are right you must already have formed some notion of morality with which to analyze them against. Religion is dependant on ethics. Ethics is not dependant on religion.