HR 4077 needs to be "Mashed"

[Lobo]

But you don't like freedom and personal privacy?

[frostwolf ex]

bob i am about complacent as they come, but the very basis for this law is flawed, its not just that it empoweres the government, i can live with that, its that it gives powers that arent even allowed to our law enforcement to coroprations. This is not about terrorism, its not even really about fair use, which i agree is usually a dodge people use to descibe piracy, it is about giving the movie and music industry the powers of the police, and that is totally unacceptable. wether its about pirates now or not, its giving too much power to a group that has no business with such power, and thats why it needs mashed.

[voltz]

The bill was another way of accusing civilians of terrorism, that's the problem and it's coming from corporations who care about their bottem line more then people, plus they already got their claws dug deep enough into the government not to give a crap.

wether its about pirates now or not

Great to hear they still refer to copyright infringement as piracy when nobody has proven one god damn case yet.

[Joust Williams]

But you yourself have admitted you pirate music. I believe you said something to the extent of "what they are charging is ludicrous, so I'll show them by pirating it". So whether they proved anything is irrelevant for *me*. I know there are plenty of people out there that are pirating music, and I know that of whatever number of lawsuits they have started, maybe 2 people were unfairly gone after. That happens even if you go through all of the hoops that supposedly make the system work anyway.

[voltz]

Are you sure you got the right poster? I can remember hearing someone else say that.

Btw, since when is sharing actually theft or selling off an artist's work for profit? We still got the law passed to record and hand out tapes/cassets etc to friends, family, etc etc.

[Mman]

So you really think that everybody needs to be monitored to protect corporations? Because the millions they make are not enough that they need to sue people much less wealthy then them?

Why do people that do not "pirate" music think they are some how above everybody else? Wrong, you are missing out. I download music, whenever I get the chance. I download as much as humanly possible. Why? To stick it to some corporation? No, to better myself. Because I love music and want to take in as much as possible. And because of this I can chose to support the bands that are truely doing something unique and who I think are worth it. How else are we supposed to be introduced to music? Through mtv or radios stations run by huge monopolies? No thanks, I do not want to be introduced to 2 or 3 new songs a week. Downloading is a tool, and yeah, it can be taken advantage of. But most of us dont. Most of the people who download love music, and somehow hurting musicians is the last thing on our minds.

PS: I buy about twice as much music as about anybody I know.

[voltz]

There was a study on how P2P affects CD sales in general and because people were buying what they were more interested in, nobody at the big lables were missing out.

The only reason they sue people is because they think they can make an industry with so-called "legit" downloads and will sue P2P users into scaring them and shifting consumer's listening habits for profit.

Generally, I haven't seen anything so neo-nazi as this in my life! First they claim infringement, then they start digging into Washington to take away the free use rights we busted our ass for.

[Joust Williams]

None of which matters. Have you broken the law? Yes. I don't care one bit on your justification of such. I love games, but I'm not stealing them. You want to try out music? There are plenty of ways to do it legally.

[Mman]

Such as...

[Joust Williams]

Such as borrowing the CD from a friend, for a start. And since you seem to be talking about less available music (as in not on MTV and such), all those sites with indy music. The RIAA isn't after you anyway. And if they are because you're getting their music, that is so widely available to hear without buying that what you're saying doesn't make sense.