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Thread: ESPN NFL 2005 to be released on July 20th

  1. Maybe it's just me, but alot of that animation seems stiff and rigid. Not really a fan of some of those faces, either

    Some of those pictures are decent, but that second to last one.... WOW that looks pretty bad.
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  2. Quote Originally Posted by Roufuss
    Maybe it's just me, but alot of that animation seems stiff and rigid. Not really a fan of some of those faces, either

    Some of those pictures are decent, but that second to last one.... WOW that looks pretty bad.
    lmfao.

    You just owned yourself so hard. Every single thing you weren't impressed with was from pics of Madden.

    Just goes to show how much the people saying ESPN sucks have no idea about the game, or even moreso the game they're fucking defending. ESPN looks so much better than Madden this year it is laughable by comparison.

    I win.
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  3. Third from the last pic...wow.
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by Roufuss
    Maybe it's just me, but alot of that animation seems stiff and rigid. Not really a fan of some of those faces, either

    Some of those pictures are decent, but that second to last one.... WOW that looks pretty bad.
    Andy didn't point out that only the screenshots watermarked Gamespot/Madden were from EA's effort, the others Sega's.

    Though it kind of goes without saying.
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by Andy
    lmfao.

    You just owned yourself so hard. Every single thing you weren't impressed with was from pics of Madden.

    Just goes to show how much the people saying ESPN sucks have no idea about the game, or even moreso the game they're fucking defending. ESPN looks so much better than Madden this year it is laughable by comparison.

    I win.
    Considering I didn't say which ones I thought were decent and which ones sucked, I didn't own myself at all, except for that one pic that I pointed out.

    So wow, you owned me on one picture, awesome. That's quite an accomplishment, I suppose, I could honestly care less. I wasn't impressed with the rigid animation or faces in ANY of the pictures, and yea, I actually own every sega football title from 2000 on forward.

    So yea, I guess I don't know anything about ESPN after all Not to mention I never had a problem with the graphics, but more or less with the way it plays, and I thought Playmaker Control in 2004 destroyed anything ESPN brought to the table that year.
    Last edited by Roufuss; 11 Jul 2004 at 04:36 PM.
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  6. I honestly think both games look pretty good. but ESPN does indeed look better in screen shots. I'm buying ESPN this year because I'm getting tired of Madden and want to try something fresh.

    BTW, the last 2 shots of Ahman Green I noticed that EA went with the black fumble arm bands and ESPN went with the ones Ahman changed to a little over halfway through last years season. NEAT!
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by The Shiva
    GameFreak that is so true.

    I wonder if all these people who bash Visual Concepts & SEGA ESPN 2005 realize that Visual Concepts designed some of the classic Genesis Maddens.

    The Madden/EA Sports brain lock is something so powerful it can decide console wars. It is more powerful then the FORCE itself. If a system doesn't have Madden it is destined to fail. It is almost getting to the point were its Madden on Playstation or nothing else. I'm not saying the SEGA series is overall better than Madden. They both out perform the other in varying areas. But, the amount of people who simply dismiss the SEGA series every year is mind boggling.

    It's like saying well each Final Fantasy is the best RPG, so I'm not going to bother playing any of the others. For goodness sakes the game is $20. To get a game of this quality for $20 at launch is a steal. At least play it before you claim it to pale in comparison to Madden. The significant game play changes for sports games can't be judged by screen shots.

    People seem to forget the year EA didn't publish Madden because of the Gameday commercial. They saw the graphics for Gameday in their commercial, and EA was putting out such a rehash version of Madden they thought it would be best not to publish the game at all. You best believe it Madden rules unchecked all we will see is essentially roster updates.
    So true. I can guarantee you that if ESPN NFL 2005 does well this year EA will follow VC's lead and design Madden 2006 using the XBox hardware and they will try to come up with a bunch of new stuff and of course, VC will try to top them. That's what competition does.

    EA has respect for VC, they know the games are good.

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    At the same time we said, "You know, even if we get people on quality, we have to outmarket these guys." And so, coming right out of the show we said, "OK, new game plan. We've got to double down on the resources, we've got to outmarket these guys, we've got to get really aggressive." And that plan won the day. We ended up with 80 percent market share, and Sega got 20 percent. And at the show, arguably somebody could have said that was going to be reversed, because Sega had a much better looking game. So E3 gives us an opportunity to look at the competition and we're--and coming out we're very systematic about what we need to do.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by Mamoscott
    Also, the bumped up release date and budget price point for ESPN 2K5 are obviously Take Two's doing, and they're really fucking smart moves, which is why we all know Sega had nothing to do with the decision. To dethrone Madden, people need to actually try a football game other than Madden. This is precisely where the aforementioned budget price comes into play, because you will have a sizeable segment of the market that is willing to purchase two professional football videogames in a year when it only costs an additional twenty dollars. Once they own both games, they can judge them on their own merits instead of simply buying Madden and ignoring all other football games. In addition, you'll have another segment of customers that will give the game far more than a passing look simply by virtue of the fact that it's a budget/low-risk purchase. The Madden series has become so synonymous with videogame football that it's exceedingly difficult to even expose gamers to alternatives. That's half the challenge now.

    By the way, ESPN 2K5 has actually been finished for weeks. It's not being rushed out.
    I think you brought up some good points, but at the same time I wonder if this move could do severe damage in the long term.

    What's going to be the public's perception of this drastic price drop? Will they see it as a desperation move, a last-ditch effort by Sega and Take-Two to rope in sales before possibly pulling the plug on the series? Will people look at the $19.99 ESPN NFL 2K5, and see that Madden NFL 2005 is debuting at $49.99, and immediately think "you get what you pay for"? Although there have been a few surprisnigly great gems released at budget pricing over the years, the truth is that most games released at under $20 are of noticeably inferior quality to the "top shelf" $40-$50 games.

    Will all of the future ESPN games be released at the under $20 mark? This means games like ESPN NBA 2K5, ESPN NHL 2K5, and whatever else comes down the pike this year, as well as products further down the road like ESPN NFL 2K6.

    If it's a "permanent" budget series, then how does this affect the development budget? Will Sega and Take-Two continue to allocate the same amount of resources to the series that they did in previous years (when they retailed for $50), or will they be given "bottom shelf" treatment like the numerous hunting/fishing/bowling/pool/poker games?

    If the other games end up selling for $50 at launch, then how will consumers react? Will they wait for the games to drop to the $20 level before considering them for purchase (expecting that they'll drop in price quickly because that's the price ESPN NFL 2K5 retailed for)?

    Also, as diffusionx pointed out, there's a certain amount of irony when ESPN does video game specials covering EA's video games. You'd think that they would want to promote the games that have their own ESPN brand on them.
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  9. I don't understand why people has to knock a $20 game with a pretty good track record (NFL 2K series). The first time I tried NFL 2k on the DC, it felt and played so much better than the stagnant Madden series. I don't care about all the extra modes or crap or whatever, but on the field, NFL 2K series plays a better game than the Madden (IMO). Madden looks pretty enough, both series have cool little touches but I just can't stand the way Madden plays, with all the money plays and what not, it is not a challenge at all.

    I will pickup NFL 2K5 for $14.99 the day it comes out at Best Buy. Life is good (at least for this year

  10. Quote Originally Posted by The Shiva
    I wonder if all these people who bash Visual Concepts & SEGA ESPN 2005 realize that Visual Concepts designed some of the classic Genesis Maddens.
    No, they didn't.

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