200 Russian Schoolchildren Taken Hostage

[Stone]

Does anyone else think that Islamic terrorism is entirely due to the suffering Muslims have undergone in Palestine?

I might even say - arguably, Palestinian terrorism has little to do with Islam, and much to do with the terrible position the Palestinians are in. They're the ones that have been treated like dogs and are biting back because of it.

Now, I don't think the Israelis are 100% culpable in the Palestinians' treatment. They've been used as a pawn by other Arab countries continuously since 1948, which I think is in large part why the Palestinians were never able to create a country from what they were given in 1947.

However, I do think that Islam plays a part in fostering the deep support for terrorism which you find in Muslim countries outside of Palestine. I don't know how else to explain how a 16-year old American kid, raised Muslim, whose parents are from Pakistan, could possibly support suicide bombers.

This is not to mention something like Al'qaeda, which in all ways lacks the excuse the Palestinians have.

If you agree with the idea that we've caused terrorism by treating Muslims like dogs, then why don't you see similar levels of terrorism in other mistreated subcultures?

Is there anyone that disagrees that the world's terrorism is primarily Islamic? It's not 100% Islamic - there are Jewish terrorists, white trash terrorists, evil Austrian dudes with bald heads and waxed moustaches - but it's what, 99% Islamic, isn't it?

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http://www.adl.org/extremism/jdl_chron.asp

If you're interested, read what the Anti-Defense League (that group of touchy, easily offended Zionist Jews that likes to freak out over stuff like the Passion) thinks of the JDL.

[g0zen]

Now, I don't think the Israelis are 100% culpable in the Palestinians' treatment. They've been used as a pawn by other Arab countries continuously since 1948, which I think is in large part why the Palestinians were never able to create a country from what they were given in 1947.

Not to mention, those same Arab countries which effectively ignore Palestine now already made it clear to Arafat and the PLO leadership that submitting to the 'Zionist Conspiracy' is a death sentence for them. The plight of Palestine serves as a figurehead cause for the Arab world to unite against their common enemy - Israel. The move is religiously fueled, but politically masterminded. The entire mideast is a geo-political quagmire in the truest sense of the word (not just Iraq), and it will take some hard choices before the world (hopefully united) can enact the sort of social change that's needed there. I won't be so callous as to say the only way to effect it is at gunpoint, but I'm afraid some bloodshed may be inevitable.

[Joust Williams]

"In Iraq things will get worse before they get better, at the moment most people are still worse off."

That's how EVERYTHING works. And I couldn't care less about Palestine...with the large number of terrorist sympathisers, whoopdie doo. Reap what you sew.

[Almaci]

Does anyone else think that Islamic terrorism is entirely due to the suffering Muslims have undergone in Palestine?

I might even say - arguably, Palestinian terrorism has little to do with Islam, and much to do with the terrible position the Palestinians are in. They're the ones that have been treated like dogs and are biting back because of it.

Now, I don't think the Israelis are 100% culpable in the Palestinians' treatment. They've been used as a pawn by other Arab countries continuously since 1948, which I think is in large part why the Palestinians were never able to create a country from what they were given in 1947.

However, I do think that Islam plays a part in fostering the deep support for terrorism which you find in Muslim countries outside of Palestine. I don't know how else to explain how a 16-year old American kid, raised Muslim, whose parents are from Pakistan, could possibly support suicide bombers.

This is not to mention something like Al'qaeda, which in all ways lacks the excuse the Palestinians have.

If you agree with the idea that we've caused terrorism by treating Muslims like dogs, then why don't you see similar levels of terrorism in other mistreated subcultures?

Is there anyone that disagrees that the world's terrorism is primarily Islamic? It's not 100% Islamic - there are Jewish terrorists, white trash terrorists, evil Austrian dudes with bald heads and waxed moustaches - but it's what, 99% Islamic, isn't it?

------

http://www.adl.org/extremism/jdl_chron.asp

If you're interested, read what the Anti-Defense League (that group of touchy, easily offended Zionist Jews that likes to freak out over stuff like the Passion) thinks of the JDL.

Proven tactic, change the subject.

"In Iraq things will get worse before they get better, at the moment most people are still worse off."

That's how EVERYTHING works. And I couldn't care less about Palestine...with the large number of terrorist sympathisers, whoopdie doo. Reap what you sew.

You know I wonder what would happen if I were to make that statement the way you did with regards to terrorism against Israel and with regards to 9/11.

Think before you speak.

[Joust Williams]

If you did, you'd be guilty of gross exaggeration. I apologize if I really couldn't care less about a people who, instead of helping themselves, would rather hurt others. My simplification of a group of people is a lot less than yours in this case. Still wrong, but ou've got to see where I'm coming from.

[Melf]

The people in those teritories had nothing to do with that yet even before the three day war they were being targeted by Israeli´s.
Just step back and look at WHEN suicide bombings began, then look at how long the ocupation has lasted.
You will see nearly three decades of oppresion before the start of the suicide attacks, thats gotta tell you something.
Be tough on the actual terrorists not the civilians while working on a real political solution so that the feeding grounds from which terrorist organisations recruit dry down.

You're forgetting that the Arabs rejected the UN's offer to create a Palestinian state. You're also forgetting that it was the Arab nations who were about attack Israel who told the now "refugees" to leave Israel in the first place. The Israeli government asked them to stay but Syria, Jordan, and the other attackers told them to get out of the crossfire.

During their flight, none of the press, not even the anti-Jewish London Times, reported that the Arabs were being driven out by the Jews.

[Gohron]

In the case of Chechnya, it's a little hard to forgive and forget since Russia is actively bombing their country into submission. Putting aside the fact that the Chechens as an ethnic group have been treated like dog shit by Russia for hundreds of years, the two countries have been at war for 10 years, and you have to expect this kind of asymmetrical warfare when a superpower declares war on a much less powerful nation, regardless of that nation's chosen religion.

Russia may be more powerful then Chechnya but they are not even remotely close to being a superpower. If they were the situation in Chechnya would've been handled when the war started 10 years ago, guerilla factions are hard to defeat but Chechnya has not been calmed down at all since this war begun. Russia is sending untrained 16 year old conscripts to fight who don't have the slightest idea what they're doing. The reason Russia is just bombing the country is because their military does not have the power to do anything else, they were always an extremely conventional nation when it came to military power and that's why they got their asses handed to them by Afghanistan, now factor that in with a conventional military that has deterioted from the most powerful military in the world to a military that is on the level of a third world nation in only 20 years and you see the problem.

[Almaci]

If you did, you'd be guilty of gross exaggeration. I apologize if I really couldn't care less about a people who, instead of helping themselves, would rather hurt others. My simplification of a group of people is a lot less than yours in this case. Still wrong, but ou've got to see where I'm coming from.

Dont worry I do.

You cant see the other side of the coin though.

You're forgetting that the Arabs rejected the UN's offer to create a Palestinian state. You're also forgetting that it was the Arab nations who were about attack Israel who told the now "refugees" to leave Israel in the first place. The Israeli government asked them to stay but Syria, Jordan, and the other attackers told them to get out of the crossfire.

During their flight, none of the press, not even the anti-Jewish London Times, reported that the Arabs were being driven out by the Jews.

Who is letting these kids in?

Russia may be more powerful then Chechnya but they are not even remotely close to being a superpower. If they were the situation in Chechnya would've been handled when the war started 10 years ago, guerilla factions are hard to defeat but Chechnya has not been calmed down at all since this war begun. Russia is sending untrained 16 year old conscripts to fight who don't have the slightest idea what they're doing. The reason Russia is just bombing the country is because their military does not have the power to do anything else, they were always an extremely conventional nation when it came to military power and that's why they got their asses handed to them by Afghanistan, now factor that in with a conventional military that has deterioted from the most powerful military in the world to a military that is on the level of a third world nation in only 20 years and you see the problem.

They have over 10.000 nuclear warheads, that makes them a superpower.

Oh BTW Chechnya has oil.

[Stone]

Who is letting these kids in?

Dude, show some fucking respect. Melf doesn't deserve that.

[Gohron]

Dont worry I do.

You cant see the other side of the coin though.



Who is letting these kids in?



They have over 10.000 nuclear warheads, that makes them a superpower.

Oh BTW Chechnya has oil.

And a majority of their nuclear weapons are expected not to work, disappeared during the collapse of the Soviet Union, do not have the means to be fired and are not maintained world. They also have thousands of more tanks then the US and China (who has 11,000 more then the US) but none of them work. They are potentially powerful I'd say but their military has been subject to one big maintainence shortfall that shows no signs of being fixed.