If Bush ran for President against Jesus

[Almaci]

A republic still has elected leaders. The point is that anything is better than a totalitarian dictatorship. Besides, haven't you figured out the simple rule that if it's the way the US does things then it is by definition the right way? Don't come back until you learn that one.

Must be why I have healthcare and a hunderd million Americans dont.

[Diff-chan]

45 million dont, chief. Not 100 million.

OWNZORRRRRRD

[StriderKyo]

This country will vote Bush in, because we can't admit we were wrong about him.

This country will vote Bush in, because we can never make mistakes.

This country will vote Bush in, ultimately, because this is a country of cowards.

There, I said it.

Let the abuse begin.

There's more to it than that. In March of this year, before the 9/11 commission report, roughly 62% of Americans still believed Hussein was behind sept. 11th. There probably haven't been any polls on the matter since the commission report, but I doubt 100% of Americans now realize he wasn't connected in any way.

Even today, I saw a Republican flack saying "Bush is taking the fight to the terrorists, fighting them on their home turf. We now know there was a definite terrorist connection in Iraq, he was sending suicide bombers to Israel." This connection was based on reports of Hussein giving money to the families of Suicide bombers. Exactly why invading Iraq would stop bombings in Israel committed by Palestinian groups with far more significant backers across the Middle East than Hussein was never made clear.

But the Bush folks have said the words 'terrorist' and 'Iraq' in the the same sentence enough times to enough people who can't tell one kind of Arab from another that there's widespread belief he's doing something to fight terror, rather than creating new terrorists where there were none before.

And, to be fair, Kerry hasn't come up with a better reason to vote for him on the issue other than his not being Bush. Not that anyone should need one.

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Besides, haven't you figured out the simple rule that if it's the way the US does things then it is by definition the right way?

Hah!

Double Hah.

Anyway. Bush will win because there are enough people in the US who love the fact that the world hates Bush, and they love to thumb their noses at the world any chance they get.

[Fe 26]

You mean give more power to the idiot hicks in barely populated areas while taking away power from well informed and educated people in the cities?

Dude that is hateful, harsh, and wrong. Neither group is really anymore informed than the other. If the internet is any indication of an areas intelligence, most people, in all areas of the US base their opinions on issues as much on emotion or logic as the next area.

No one group is really any dumber than the other. Each group votes for those who they think will stand up for their lifestyle.

A southern man doesn't want gun banning because guns are a tradition in his family, one that has never gotten anyone he knows and loves killed. While a soccer mom in a city may really want guns banned because one of her children was shot in gang related violence.

Just because one group seems to agree with what you think is right does not mean that they came to the same conclusion as you because they were more informed or smarter than the areas you do not agree with.

Saying shit like that really shows how much you don’t understand the impact the size of the US and its many different subcultures have on American politics.

[youandwhosearmy]

We live in a republic, not a democracy.

Get out of my country.

There's more to it than that. In March of this year, before the 9/11 commission report, roughly 62% of Americans still believed Hussein was behind sept. 11th. There probably haven't been any polls on the matter since the commission report, but I doubt 100% of Americans now realize he wasn't connected in any way.

I know this, but y'see if I bring up the fact that perhaps the general public is fed convluted, complicated, and sometimes completely mistaken information such as this, I will have someone yell at me, "DENVER AIRPORT, REPTILES."

Because I am after all a crazy conspiracy theorist.

Even today, I saw a Republican flack saying "Bush is taking the fight to the terrorists, fighting them on their home turf. We now know there was a definite terrorist connection in Iraq, he was sending suicide bombers to Israel." This connection was based on reports of Hussein giving money to the families of Suicide bombers. Exactly why invading Iraq would stop bombings in Israel committed by Palestinian groups with far more significant backers across the Middle East than Hussein was never made clear.

Everyone knows this as well. Now. Why didn't he just say that to us.

"America, I'm going against the UN because I believe Saddam Hussien needs to be taken out of power, and it will be a good front to wage a war on terrorism."

He didn't. It wasn't he couldn't, he didn't.

But the Bush folks have said the words 'terrorist' and 'Iraq' in the the same sentence enough times to enough people who can't tell one kind of Arab from another that there's widespread belief he's doing something to fight terror, rather than creating new terrorists where there were none before.

We agree completely on this. See above.

And, to be fair, Kerry hasn't come up with a better reason to vote for him on the issue other than his not being Bush. Not that anyone should need one.

No, he wouldn't have been my first choice by any means. Unfortunately people who have ideas get snuffed out in either party, and its thats why its retarded we rely on only two of em.

[Fe 26]

T_T I don't know who to vote for. I don't like either of them.

[Almaci]

Dude that is hateful, harsh, and wrong. Neither group is really anymore informed than the other. If the internet is any indication of an areas intelligence, most people, in all areas of the US base their opinions on issues as much on emotion or logic as the next area.

No one group is really any dumber than the other. Each group votes for those who they think will stand up for their lifestyle.

A southern man doesn't want gun banning because guns are a tradition in his family, one that has never gotten anyone he knows and loves killed. While a soccer mom in a city may really want guns banned because one of her children was shot in gang related violence.

Just because one group seems to agree with what you think is right does not mean that they came to the same conclusion as you because they were more informed or smarter than the areas you do not agree with.

Saying shit like that really shows how much you don’t understand the impact the size of the US and its many different subcultures have on American politics.

Dude quit that, ive got friends living in places like Iowa and indiana and I visit them regularly.
You yourself have met me in person before so you should know better then to think I was being annything but tongue in cheeck with that remark.

[youandwhosearmy]

This is such a load of garbage. It blows my mind. The fact is, people are free to cast doubt on anything they wish, including the Presidency. Especially the Presidency. I can go to San Francisco on the weekend and see a freakshow of people doing just that. There are plays like this going on as we speak. I can walk into the bookstore and see piles and piles of anti-Bush books that do just that. There is no climate of fear.

I can never tell with you if your either stubborn or blind.

Then tell me why most people still believe Saddam had something to do with 9/11? Tell me why most people don't know, or care about the details of that day?

If you can't even accept even as a possiblity that this administration was manipulating the reaction of a shocked nation after 9/11, then I don't know what to say to you anymore.

The government lies diffusion, it lies so much that it can't tell its hands from its face.

Maybe if Democrats picked a decent guy the situation would be different. Twelve years ago, they did that, and got an 8-year presidency. This year, they did not, and theyll be going down in flames on 11/2. The Democratic Party needs some TLC now, and not from 527s like MoveOn. I hope they get their shit together by 2008.

No Democrat picked in the last two years, is any worse than the two republicans sitting in the white house right now.

Besides, voting for the rich, well-to-do, born-with-a-silver-spoon, Skull & Bones Yalie wont make you a hero. Or a coward.

I'm not glorifying John Kerry. I'm stating that he was in Vietnam, and Bush took the rich guy easy way out. So a man who spent twenty years of his life in a coked out daze, has no right to be distorting anyones military records.

Correction: Clinton was impeached. But it was stupid and ridiculous.

Yeah I know, still, the comparisons are pretty fucking grim.

[Diff-chan]

If you can't even accept even as a possiblity that this administration was manipulating the reaction of a shocked nation after 9/11, then I don't know what to say to you anymore.

This is the sort of thing Im saying. You can say that, cant you? You can tell other people that, cant you? There are tons of books and articles and people saying these exact things. Michael Moore made his little movie and it set records for a documentary and the government didnt shoot him on the lawn of the White House. Its out there, in the open. Now its up to people to make up their mind.

I'm not glorifying John Kerry. I'm stating that he was in Vietnam, and Bush took the rich guy easy way out. So a man who spent twenty years of his life in a coked out daze, has no right to be distorting anyones military records.

That's true. But Bush has stated, many many times, that Kerry's war record is something to be proud of and Bush will not question it. Now, if 527s are questioning it... thats a different story. Im not gonna lump MoveOn.org with the Kerry campaign any more than Im gonna lump SBVFT with the Bush campaign. If you wanna do that thats fine, but keep in mind that you are gonna be lumping a whole bunch of guys that think Bush = Hitler with John Forbes Kerry (and also keep in mind that the ties MoveOn has to the DNC are a lot stronger than SBVFT to the RNC, and MoveOn has made and spent a lot more money than the SBVFT). But its your call.

And also... Ill just say... since when is military service such a big deal for Democrats? The Democrat's golden boy, Bill Clinton, was a draft dodger. Flat out draft dodger. If you think its a prerequisite to go fighting in a war, well... that's another thing. And it's another thing that's probably not true. In any case, people don't need to look at Bush's record in the early 1970s to see how he'd do in a war... they have the last four years. They can make their decision from that. Understand what Im saying?