Star Wars Episode III official thread

[Shin Johnpv]

I watched 4-6 soon after seeing ROTS last week and I have to say that I agree that the old movies have the same exact flaws. In fact I'd bet my life on the fact that if this was vice-versa and the old movies were released now, people would complain about them as well.

It's all about what you grew up with and how you remember the films.

I however, know that Star Wars is at it's heart intended to be like the old adventure serials, so I don't have a problem with any of the acting/etc. In fact I like a bit of cheese with my Star Wars.

This is exactly what I've been saying for years now



people look back at the OT with such nastalgia they forget the flaws it had

[1CCOSA]

Terry Brooks wrote that. But you're still right. The adaptations count.

Oh yeah, Episode I also had that kick ass first Pod-Race that's only mentioned in the movie, the one where Anakin wrecked Watto's racer.

No, I mean the books' cut scenes are based on screenplay notes written by Lucas which includes anything he chose not to film. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

[sleeve]

I actually agree with Diffusion for once

and I have been saying this for years, all the complaints people have about the new ones were in the old ones as well, people just remember them with nastalgia and don't really remember what the movies were actually like

Glad I'm not the only one saying these things anymore.

And I agree with diffx, Ep3 really makes Ep1 and 2 much better films (not that I didn't enjoy each immensely on their own merits).

I watched 4-6 soon after seeing ROTS last week and I have to say that I agree that the old movies have the same exact flaws. In fact I'd bet my life on the fact that if this was vice-versa and the old movies were released now, people would complain about them as well.

I swear to God, I am getting the weirdest deja vu right now. Man, where were you people when AotC came out and people like DacaZ and Despair were knocking me left and right for saying this kind of shit?

[Giga Power]

I swear to God, I am getting the weirdest deja vu right now. Man, where were you people when AotC came out and people like DacaZ and Despair were knocking me left and right for saying this kind of shit?

Hey, I've always loved the prequels. I just haven't seen a discussion about them here before.

For me the movies are ordered like this, from best to worst-

Revenge of the Sith
The Empire Strikes Back
Attack of the Clones
The Phantom Menace
Return of the Jedi
A New Hope

Now keep in mind that list doesn't mean much...because I love them all so much that it's really hard to even put them in order. Only thing that's for sure is that I like ANH the least...not because it's bad in ANY way mind you, but compared to the other episodes it's just got the least going on. Personally.

[Shin Johnpv]

I swear to God, I am getting the weirdest deja vu right now. Man, where were you people when AotC came out and people like DacaZ and Despair were knocking me left and right for saying this kind of shit?

hey I've been saying it for years myself just nobody listens to me

[sleeve]

Revenge of the Sith
The Empire Strikes Back
Attack of the Clones
The Phantom Menace
Return of the Jedi
A New Hope

Now keep in mind that list doesn't mean much...because I love them all so much that it's really hard to even put them in order.

Agreed. But I'd switch ANH and TPM on my list.

[Cowutopia]

Someone who only plays SNES and 2600 while calling all new games crap and so forth is jaded. ECM was incredibly jaded, for example. Youre in the same boat.

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jad·ed Audio pronunciation of "jaded" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (jdd)
adj.

1. Worn out; wearied: “My father's words had left me jaded and depressed” (William Styron).
2. Dulled by surfeit; sated: “the sickeningly sweet life of the amoral, jaded, bored upper classes” (John Simon).
3. Cynically or pretentiously callous.


I don't think you're using that properly. I do not eschew new games or new movies, my interest in entertainment media is not "dulled" to the point where I do not enjoy schlok movies, and if I can like Team America and Anchorman I don't really think I'm that pretentious.

I was all too willing to give the prequels more credit than they deserved, and I staunchly defended them for a while. But, <shrug> they're crap, and they're not as charming, entertaining, or engaging as the old trilogy.

I think part of it was the mystery of the force and the discovery of the universe. The new trilogy doesn't add anything new, it just plays around with CG.

Dude, the lava utility droid zooming by Anakin and Obi Wan at a split second ruined the duel for you? Get a flippin' grip. Talk about taking things way too seriously. It wasn't even for humor, it was to establish that the robots were there mining the lava because Anakin eventually uses one as a stepping stone. It didn't look any different than any robot seen in the entire series either. Sheesh.

No, it didn't ruin the duel for me, the duel was already boring and shitty. I think I've expressed that opinion several times. There wasn't the same emotional feeling behind the duel as the one in eps V or VI. It was flashy martial arts and some kicks to the face. The best moment in my opinion was when they both tried force push at the same time and were straining against each other.

That didn't need to be established, either. You see the robots mining in previous shots.

It's just an example of how the gimmicks of the old trilogy were executed much better than the gimmicks of the new trilogy.

There was a lot of fucking story that had to be wrapped up.As much as I wouldnt have minded seeing Anakin ponder over his turn to the darkside a little more,or a force ghost Qui-Gon talking to Yoda over some other stuff - it would have made for an insanely long movie to pack any more in - and THAT would have been bad pacing.

He had three movies to tell that story and he squeezed it all into one. The villians were all disposable and anakin's inner turmoil, which is the string that ties the movies together, is not compelling.

lol - I did. I didnt see any fantaastic acting from the OT at all.I feel bad for people who went to see this last Star Wars movie expecting some Grammy winning perfect movie (yeah, it would have been nice,but what we got was better than a lot of shit I've been to the theaters to see nowadays).I went in to watch it,have fun,see some cool fight scenes between certain characters,and to see how they wrapped it up.I got my money's worth and enjoyed myself.

Maybe that's the difference. I don't like the original trilogy because of "cool fight scenes." That wasn't the point of the scenes in the first place. I watch Jet Li movies for "cool fight scenes." It's nice to look at but it's not...it doesn't live up to the old series.

And I've not outgrown sappy sci-fi movies. But pitch black was crap and if I owned that movie I'd keep them on the shelf next to each other. It IS better than a lot of shit in theaters these days...but that doesn't mean that this is a "good" movie because it looks good in relation to The Hulk.

I'd have to agree with this sentiment. One friend of mine gave it 2.5/5 stars. When I asked why he said "Oh, the fights were great but the acting and dialogue was terrible!" I then said "Was it any worse than anything whiny and cheesy Luke said in the OT?" *question followed by blank stare and crickets chirping*

I'd rather watch Darth Vader and his round table of imperials talking about the death star 1,000,000 times in a row than watch those aliens have their roundtable once.

The Podrace in Episode I was unlike anything I'd ever seen before in a movie ever. But after repeat viewings it got stale, and once that scene stopped doing it for me the whole movie stopped doing it for me. I'd watch the Ep IV final dogfight a million times over that podrace once now.

Likewise with Darth Maul. The fight was awesome to look at, but who gave two shits if Qui Gon died or lived? Did anyone shed a tear? Did you feel a twinge of sadness? I sure as fuck didn't. That whole character struck me as a tool. And I didn't give a shit about Darth Maul either.

Oh, and I wound up reading the Darth Maul book. It's amazing, the movie character is so one-dimensional the book basically had nothing to flesh out. He's just a mindless killing machine.

[Space Pirate Roberts]

I've started reading the RotS novel (after seeing all the comments about how much context it adds), and the problem I see is that, if it's canon, then so is all the pre-RotS EU bullshit, because it references that nonsense constantly. Clone Wars is cool and all, but lines about Assaj Ventress that were never going to be in the movie did NOT need to be inserted into the novel. Let alone anything relating to the 5,834 shitty novels about Mace Windu.

[sleeve]

I do not eschew new games or new movies, my interest in entertainment media is not "dulled" to the point where I do not enjoy schlok movies, and if I can like Team America and Anchorman I don't really think I'm that pretentious.

The fact that you hold up Anchorman as a good movie yet disliked the new trilogy (more to the point, RotS) tells me all I need to know about your taste in movies.

[Cowutopia]

Well that's an asinine statement.

Also I don't think it's a "good" movie, but I enjoyed it enough for a purchase. I did not buy any of ben stiller's movies or any other of will ferrell's movies...but anchorman had enough bits that made me laugh to make me get it. I wouldn't tell anyone "Go see anchorman, it's a good movie."

The same with Donnie Darko, but I liked that enough to pick it up for 10 bucks. It's schlok, but it's entertaining enough to watch once a year. Maybe.

BTW, I am not jaded in movies like I'm becoming jaded in Video Games, the "wearied, worn out," def. I'm not tired of awesome special effects, but I've never liked excessive, badly implemented CG, and I still don't. I AM jaded on matrix effects.

I could list my collection if you want to form an accurate judgement of my taste in movies.

I'd call Minority Report an example of a fairly recent "good" sci-fi film. It wasn't mind blowing or oscar-material, but it was entertaining, the chase and fight scenes were good, the world and premise were interesting, the plot was engaging, and even knowing the end it holds up to repeat viewings.

I also like "Commando" and shit like that, so cheesy it's good.

Ep. III is just boring.