Star Wars Episode III official thread

[Jetman]

I think part of it was the mystery of the force and the discovery of the universe. The new trilogy doesn't add anything new, it just plays around with CG.

So wait, you wanted something new in the movie then? What did you want,no lightsabers,no force,no Skywalker clan?I thought you were comparing it to the OT? And why bash CG?Would you try to build a house with rocks and mud when you had a hammer and nails right in front of you?

No, it didn't ruin the duel for me, the duel was already boring and shitty. I think I've expressed that opinion several times. There wasn't the same emotional feeling behind the duel as the one in eps V or VI. It was flashy martial arts and some kicks to the face. The best moment in my opinion was when they both tried force push at the same time and were straining against each other.

So I guess if Obi-Wan was revealed to be Anakins father in this one, it would have made for a better fight scene?

*cough* JADED *cough*

Maybe that's the difference. I don't like the original trilogy because of "cool fight scenes." That wasn't the point of the scenes in the first place. I watch Jet Li movies for "cool fight scenes." It's nice to look at but it's not...it doesn't live up to the old series.

And I've not outgrown sappy sci-fi movies. But pitch black was crap and if I owned that movie I'd keep them on the shelf next to each other. It IS better than a lot of shit in theaters these days...but that doesn't mean that this is a "good" movie because it looks good in relation to The Hulk.

So wait did you want something new or old again? Maybe you wanted something old but kind of new? *cough* JADED *cough*

The fight scenes to me add to the fun. If those were half as good in the OT - especially ANH - then those movies would have been better off for it. But,yeah you need more than fighting to make a good movie.There was a story in these, you were just to busy being pissed at robots flying over lava pits and awesome special effects to realize it.

[Cowutopia]

It's not a matter of what I wanted and what I didn't want. But, if it suits you, I wanted a compelling story, and Anakin's depicted evolution is not compelling at all, from Jake onwards, and it's surrounded by a circus of special effects that don't blow my skirt up.
But it IS a matter of what it is. And it's crap.

And why bash CG?Would you try to build a house with rocks and mud when you had a hammer and nails right in front of you?

Don't be fucking retarded.

Good CG = opening 5 minutes.
Bad CG = Lizard. And so on and so forth.

I don't like TOO MUCH cg though. I can't buy into a world that's all video game. Call it a personal flaw. The shot of two suns on Tattooine in the old trilogy = good.
I don't enjoy being able to see everyone's in front of a blue screen all the time. I had that problem with Sky Captain, though I enjoyed several of the breathtaking scenes there.
The space battle in Ep IV/VI = Good. The space battle in Ep I = Bad.

So I guess if Obi-Wan was revealed to be Anakins father in this one, it would have made for a better fight scene?

No, there's just no visual drama in this fight. Nobody gets battered, there's no one to root for. They're both superheroes. It's not the same. Do you understand?

I'm realize now Obi Wan was shown as incompetent for most of the prequels to attempt to build tension in the final battle, but there really wasn't any. And that "high ground" bit sucked. But I enjoyed watching Ewan's next bit of performance.

So wait did you want something new or old again? Maybe you wanted something old but kind of new?

Something good.

The fight scenes to me add to the fun. If those were half as good in the OT - especially ANH - then those movies would have been better off for it. But,yeah you need more than fighting to make a good movie.There was a story in these, you were just to busy being pissed at robots flying over lava pits and awesome special effects to realize it.

I just don't think so. I think the fights in the OT, excepting Obi-Wan vs. Vader, were absolutely fine.

And I've said this before. I like the story, the mapped out premise and the causes. I hate the execution.


I'd watch a two hour movie of nothing but lightsaber battles with minimal dialogue, like I watch Kung Fu movies. I watch Kung Fu moves FOR the choreography. That's not what drew me to the Star Wars movies in the first place though. If you only liked the OT because of lightsaber battles then it makes sense you like the prequels more.

Here's another example of why I like the OT over the prequel...I'd rather watch a movie like Saving Private Ryan, which shows a large battle from the perspective a group of characters you follow and come to care about than watch a bunch of clones fight a bunch of droids.

I had imagined the clone wars as...something else entirely. I still enjoyed the cartoons because you followed the jedi doing their cool superhero thing. That was different, new, and good. Not totally the best thing ever but quite good.

I actually did want a movie to show the war between the jedi and the droids in a similar fashion to what Clone Wars did...I think I really would have enjoyed that. Get to know some jedi, follow them, show anakin develop friendships with some of them, a few die after you grow to care...etc. But the movies didn't really do that. It follows Anakin and Obi-Wan, but again..the old movies are superhero movies really. The lack of mystery of who makes it hurt it a bit I suppose.

I was also disappointed at the lack of force powers shown and the lack of creativity in using them. It's all force push/kick/lightning. When confronted with Destroyers, instead of using creative thinking and force skills, Obi Wan and Qui Gon run away. There is far too much kicking in the face and not enough manipulation of objects like Ep V's duel. The bit with palpatine and Yoda was kind of cool, but I can't get over the ledge syndrome, I just can't. They can hurl this shit all over the place but can't pull themselves up off a ledge.

[Diff-chan]

Here's another example of why I like the OT over the prequel...I'd rather watch a movie like Saving Private Ryan, which shows a large battle from the perspective a group of characters you follow and come to care about than watch a bunch of clones fight a bunch of droids.

I think it did that actually... it showed the clone wars from a perspective of Yoda, Obi-Wan, Anakin, Padme, etc. I think it was more up close and personal than the old trilogy, actually. But I think its weird that you say you want an up close and personal view of the war, but 2 paragraphs later you say you wanted to see the war between Jedi and Droids like AOTC did, which was not up close and personal.

Glad I'm not the only one saying these things anymore.

And I agree with diffx, Ep3 really makes Ep1 and 2 much better films (not that I didn't enjoy each immensely on their own merits).

Yea, it absolutely does. I think the arc of the new trilogy is actually really good now that Ive seen the entire thing. I totally look forward to seeing them all one-by-one as soon as the Ep3 DVD comes out.

I swear to God, I am getting the weirdest deja vu right now. Man, where were you people when AotC came out and people like DacaZ and Despair were knocking me left and right?

I genuinely didnt like AOTC. It was too turgid IMO. However, I thoroughly enjoyed TPM and make no apologies for it.

As for Cowutopia... hey man, whatever you like. Its your deal. I think youre illogical and grasping at straws, but whatever. And by the way, I was using definition (3).

[Cowutopia]

Yeah, I meant...more like Season 2 of attack of the clones, where you see Anakin and Obi Wan becoming friends, some personal development, but a lot more fleshed out than that. Season 1 is basically what we got in Ep III, some snapshots of warzones. Sorry about that.

Bottom line is everything about the way it was visually presented to me, and the actors, just struck me wrong. I reiterate that I like the story enough, and would have liked to see it more fleshed out onscreen. I want to read the books.

[Revoltor]

I'd have to agree with this sentiment. One friend of mine gave it 2.5/5 stars. When I asked why he said "Oh, the fights were great but the acting and dialogue was terrible!" I then said "Was it any worse than anything whiny and cheesy Luke said in the OT?" *question followed by blank stare and crickets chirping*

I always laugh when I hear Luke's reaction to Vader being his father.

[ChaoofNee]

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse....cgi?u=episode3

All Grievous needed was a monacle, and a large black moustache that he could twirl as he cackled "I'll get you, if it's the last thing I do!"

I WASN'T THE ONLY ONE WHO THOUGHT THIS!!! HAHAHAHAHAH!

[Fe 26]

I've said this before, but I'm going to say it again, I liked the movie. Yes, I posted a long list of things that I didn't care for, like just how silly it is to fight over lava and not light on fire, but over all the movie was good. No, I don't really care for how they made grievous a puss, or the NOOOO at the end, or how heavy handed George has gotten with his more child centered robots and aliens, hell I also wished he would have put in a few puppet robots when robots had to interact with people just so my brain wouldn't contrast and compare the two and remind me "hey, Iron, you're looking at fake shit again, ;_; ".

Do all these things make the NT bad, eh, not really. If anything it’s my own fault. My taste has changed. I like action to be different from the way GL does it. I like the kind of stuff in The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly, or the way it is done in Samurai Jack/Clone wars. Are the movies flawed? yes, are the old movies perfect? No. Is the NT as good as the OT, meh, maybe, we will see. Is star wars awesome and one of the most distinct fictional worlds that any of us have had the chance to experience? Oh hells yeah. And I think that is what matters.

[Revoltor]

The "This series is for children" thing irks me a lot. I guess you can get away with anything when you're promoting a movie but to backtrack publicly is total bullshit.

[Super-Eggroll]

WU-TANG is for the children.

Oh, I found this -

SW Ep. III Trailer - Subtitled In 1337-Speak

There's a few funny ones in here, but the hilarity of the concept is vastly untapped.

[Anthony]

I just went back and watched episode 4, I found as a whole the movie was more enjoyable than ep 3. Everything felt more emotionally charged. Now, I also enjoyed ep3, but there were some parts between natalie and hayden that made me cringe, and what took away from anakin pledging himself to the emperor was how jarred I was from how quickly he changed over. Other than that, i didn't mind all the CG because I go to a movie to enjoy myself, not to rip it apart. I found it no harder to get immersed in the environment with the CG, and many times it gave a great grandiose feel to things. I generally don't pick up on the plot holes and inconsitencies because I tend not to overthink it. Ewan was amazing in this movie, extremely convincing as an obi wan, but unlike the original trilogy, I was unable to feel attached to the other characters.

Final thoughts, Ep III was a great movie, and took some of the original qualities of the star wars films and brought them out again, but overall does not stand on the high pedastool that the original created.