Jon Stewart was just on Crossfire.

**MechDeus** · 18 Oct 2004, 02:12 AM

Originally Posted by rezo

When they came back from the break the questions seemed like they were set up to switch gears from what he brought up in the first half =\

I'll bet the behind-the-scenes during that first commercial break was hilarious, I expected them to switch guests or do some serious castration because Stewart was making them looking like total retards.

Couple great under-mentioned points:
1.) Stewart's avoidance of their obvious leading questions, always giving some totally unrelated remark instead of what they wanted (Mr. T!).
2.) The final question from the audience, with Stewart visably showing restraint against a huge urge to once again label Crossfire as worthless. I just know that was partially because of whatever talk happened during the first commercial break.

Anyway, great stuff.

**George** · 18 Oct 2004, 02:32 AM

Originally Posted by MechDeus

1.) Stewart's avoidance of their obvious leading questions, always giving some totally unrelated remark instead of what they wanted (Mr. T!).

Brilliant on his part. He knew that getting into it would kill the subject at hand, and fall into the kind of conversation that he hates on the show. I also liked his comment about those who know they can't win speak the most freely, which is absolutely true.

I also like how Tucker kept asking him to be funny. What a fucktard.

**Clash!** · 18 Oct 2004, 04:28 AM

He basically kept telling them that he has ACTUAL opinions on things, not just wacky zingers. And he kept telling him he was talking in terms of being a citizen, but they could not see past that. It was great because it only made Stewarts point stronger.

**AstroBlue** · 18 Oct 2004, 05:13 AM

Originally Posted by Andrew

I'm coming to Australia to kick your ass. Which tree stump do you live in?

21 Eucalyptus Cresent, The Outback.

Watch out for my guard Koala, Fuffels.

**Satsuki** · 18 Oct 2004, 06:46 AM

Originally Posted by ViciousJazz

Anyone catch this at the beginning?

"As you all know, our show is about left versus WHITE, black versus white, paper versus plastic..."

Talk about a freudian slip.

I don't even usually keep up on anything (no cable TV ;_; sad) but I downloaded this, and this comment made me laugh myself sick.

**Wolffen** · 18 Oct 2004, 10:31 AM

Originally Posted by NightWolve

That was a disparaging remark, wasn't it?

Perhaps we need to "change the tone" on TNL as well. But it probably is unlikely as you say. See, I'm apart of those "religious right swarms" that you spoke of in another thread. But fear not; I'm in a blue state so our "swarm" isn't big enough, hence my vote for Bush won't count.

I know exactly how you feel. I live in a red state, so my vote for anyone other than Bush will not count. And yes, we do need to change the tone on TNL, but that's just my opinion. As far a "religious right swarms" goes, please understand that my problem is not with religion, as I'm a Christian myself (albeit, not a great one). I personally feel that forcing my constricting morals on someone who does not share my faith does nothing to serve God.

Yeah, I did. And, I like the "digging into" that occurs right here on TNL as well. Pwnage makes things entertaining.The disparaging can be deserved at times when someone's getting too cocky/arrogant or is outright lying. I'd say threatening to cut someone's mic off when they're filibustering, refusing to respond to the host or whatnot is justified.

Except it's not only when someone is lying or filibustering. O'Reilly literally hung up on a guest a few months ago because his guest was trying to get across his belief that the war in Iraq has been a huge recruitment point for terrorists and insurgents. O'Reilly called this bull, but rather than saying why it was bull he simply cut the guy off. Maybe it was bull, but I'd like to hear why, rather than trusting someone at their word. That's one of the things that drives me nuts about GWB; his most frequent response to questions in the first debate (other than "it's hard work") was essentially, "trust me, I have a plan." I'd like to hear the plan before I trust him.

How much is "a lot?" Gimme some arbitrary percentage rate.

My personal opinion? These days, 75~85%.

You did it again!

You belittled me all because I was refutting that these shows aren't informative.

No, I actually meant "Good for you!" I'm happy someone is continuing research on their own to form their own opinions rather than by just watching the shows.

[quote]Can't even take some jabs in jest now, huh? Actually, that reminded me of this topic.
You're the one who complained about generalizations. Just thought I'd remind you of your own. As to the thread, can't read it. Not a FC member, and I have no interest in it.

Alright, so begrudgingly, we're down from the more definitive statements earlier. I'll interpret that to mean they're not completely worthless and not completely a farce, but by golly, they come very close I tell ya. Gotcha.No, it's not "porn" and I can't say I've ever heard anyone try to describe it that way. But, I'm glad at least I'm talking to someone that sees it as their choice and not the, "We're gonna take back the flag from FOX News! Yeaaaaaaargh!" via the power of government as Dean advocated in much of his rhetoric. The threats to break up FOX News or whatnot had me concerned much like his campaign before it fell apart.

Never called them worthless, I said they don't really help the political process, even though the hosts seem to think they do. There are moments where they rise above business as usual and some real discussion truly occurs. It'd be nice if that was the norm.

Oh, and bbob, thank you for the dictionary definition to explain my choice of words. You saved me the trouble.

**Andy** · 19 Oct 2004, 12:03 AM

That was fucking great, though sad at the same time, because it would have been so much better had the hosts of that show caught on to half the things Jon was getting at. It's sad that they're so caught up in their imaginary world that they can't even realize what somebody is saying unless they're speaking typical, meaningless political PR drivel. Jon Stewart is by far the best person on TV.