Lost

[Burky]

Do you guys think Ethan was one of The Others?
I was just wondering, as he did want to kidnap Claire, who was going to have a kid.

But then if you compare his appearence to the guys on the boat, whom I'm fairly sure are The Others, he is nothing like them, nor did he have a gun like they did. If he had a gun available, then surely he would have used it.

Also, about the guys on the boat being The Others; does it seem a bit unlikely to you guys that if they had a boat with fuel, then why do they choose to live on The Island?

[Josh]

Maybe because they know you can't leave?

Beats me... I love this show.

[aren]

I'm trying to get involved more this season as far as coming up with ideas and finding out information are concerned. The season premiere was awesome and it can only get better from here. So here is a theory I've made that involves Desmond, Walt, and Hurley.

"You have to lift it up."

"See you in another life."

These are probably the 2 quotes from this episode that stand out. Thinking about these 2 quotes, Desmond predicted the future twice. First, "You have to lift it up." When Jack was explaining to Sara in the hospital that she will never walk and then Sara said that she could wiggle her toes, Jack lifted up the blankets. Although he would've lifted them up if Desmond didn't say it, but he still said it nevertheless.

Now comes the obvious one. Desmond tells Jack that he will see him in another life, and even though we're not sure this is another life, Desmond and Jack meet once again.

Given that we believe that Desmond can predict the future, this could mean that Desmond can somehow predict the future. Connect this with Walk being able to predict the future (or at least somehow have a connection with what will happen in the future, an example being the polar bear), this could mean "The Others" abducted Desmond at a young age (maybe he was from Danielle's expedition) and placed in the hatch to keep his powers protected. Now maybe this is why Walt was captured. To be kept isolated away from everyone.

Claire's baby might also have powers but we don't know it yet. The only question I would have is how "The Others" know about these powers before hand.

If we were to go beyond the idea of children just being captured, Hurley would also fit into this. The numbers have brought him bad luck, so he is cursed. But Hurley has also predicted the past and present not knowingly. I checked TV.com for some quotes and I saw Hurley was quoted saying, "4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42, 4, 8, we’re dead, 15, dude we're dead, 16, 23, 42." Notice how he said, "We're dead" after the 8 and then, "Dude we're dead" after the 15. Adam Rutherford was pronounced dead at 8:15 as a result of Sarah's car accident. Not sure if that's significant enough to be called a solid connection or just a coincidence, but I found it interesting nonetheless. However, we do keep seeing these numbers come up again and again. So this means Hurley does have some sort of powers with those numbers.

This would mean that Desmond, Walt, and Hurley all have powers. I'm not sure about Claire's baby since we aren't aware if the baby has any powers or not. If in fact the baby does, this would mean that "The Others" are collecting people with powers and trying to isolate, or "quarantine" them from everyone else.

[Burky]

Just watched S02E01, it was really good, can't wait till wednesday's one.

On tvtorrents.com, it says that S02E05 is called, "Everyone Hates Hugo", so I think that some genuine connection between the numbers and events will be made soon, if that title is to be in any way relevent.

Originally posted by portnoyd
Desmond and the guy at the beginning are not the same person.

I don't quite understand what you mean there. Do you mean that Desmond (at the Stad) is not the same guy who is holding Locke hostage at the end there?

[mollipen]

I'd like to see a 5 year run with a slow progression of answers and not have it go too batshit wacky like the X-Files did. As it stands, right now it's the best show on TV and, though I never thoguht I'd say this, better than 24.

I really do hope they have a definite length for the series, instead of just the usual US TV show route where the continue to run a popular show until it is pushed into the ground. I know the creators have said that they already have the entire main storyline finished, and that they've made it in a way that they have flexibility to add in more side things to lengthen the story.

After getting into Japanese TV dramas, where every show has a set run, though, I've really come to see the huge positives to having a story have the chance to tell what it needs to tell, and then finish without having to find new ways to keep dragging it on.

I love Lost, and it is the kind of show I'm sure I could watch for years and years and years, but I think it'll be far better off if it doesn't go that way. I think five years would be a good amount of time, but not any more than that.

[Burky]

Originally posted by Shidoshi
I think five years would be a good amount of time, but not any more than that.

You really think they could span it out that long?
That would mean like four times the material that exists would need to be produced; I really don't know if they could keep it good that long.

One of the main reasons it's good now is because of all the things we don't know yet, but those things are gradually becoming known to us, and soon, it's going to have start going somewhere.

[aren]

The creators have said that they would like the show to go on for 5 seasons total. Not sure if I can find the source. If I do, I'll post it.

[1CCOSA]

While skimming through some of the really neat theories here and skipping a lot of spoilers, I just wanted to say that the season opener was awesome. Even though we have new questions (of course), they at least showed us pretty much everything that was at the bottom of the Hatch without fooling around and the new details that were introduced are hooking together seamlessly with the previous clues and plotlines .And thanks to portnoyds's post, was wondering what Walt was saying when Shannon saw him and very interesting that the numbers were on Desmond's injection bottle too.

Also, this episode seems to confirm a few major things:

Although the Island itself may be some kind of "entity"/living thing, it would appear from all the computers and gizmos at the bottom of the Hatch that a lot of the bad things now happening on it are man made some how and that the Island cannot simply be explained as some sort of strange "purgatory dimension."

The fact that Desmond is injecting himself with fluid, the medieval plague mural and so on confirms that Danielle is not crazy or delusional when she tells Sayid that "the disease killed them all." So we can probably now be sure that the Others really were the ones that set the smoke signal (and it wasn't just a trick that Danielle used) and before they apparently went to intercept the raft, they were planning on storming the beach in numbers to kidnap Claire and her baby (and no doubt also to retaliate for Ethan)

So why do they keep wanting to kidnap children? Is it just ones that supposedly have super abilities like Walt or is it also somehow ties into Rousseau's "exact twin theory" as a way to countereffect it?

Anyways, I cannot wait to see how Michael, Jin and Sawyer get outta their predicament next week. And here's hoping Michael gets revenge for Walt. And that Sawyer and Jin get revenge for the raft.

Oh yes, and the fact that we don't see Kate when Desmond has a gun to Locke's head is a bit worrying.

Originally Posted by MVS
I'd like to see a 5 year run with a slow progression of answers and not have it go too batshit wacky like the X-Files did. As it stands, right now it's the best show on TV and, though I never thoguht I'd say this, better than 24.

MVS, have you ever seen Babylon 5? Now there is a show that fits your description right there: 5 years of very tightly unwinding and carefully pre-written story arc with intensely defined characters and events. A word to the wise though, the DVDs are now very expensive for some reason so if you do decide to watch it, just rent it off of Netflix or whatever.

[MVS]

If we were to go beyond the idea of children just being captured, Hurley would also fit into this. The numbers have brought him bad luck, so he is cursed. But Hurley has also predicted the past and present not knowingly. I checked TV.com for some quotes and I saw Hurley was quoted saying, "4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42, 4, 8, we’re dead, 15, dude we're dead, 16, 23, 42." Notice how he said, "We're dead" after the 8 and then, "Dude we're dead" after the 15. Adam Rutherford was pronounced dead at 8:15 as a result of Sarah's car accident. Not sure if that's significant enough to be called a solid connection or just a coincidence, but I found it interesting nonetheless. However, we do keep seeing these numbers come up again and again. So this means Hurley does have some sort of powers with those numbers.

I don't think Hurley has the power, it's the numbers that have the power. Some instinces of the #'s from SE01:

4
- # of years Locke was in his wheelchair
- # of guns in Marshall's case
- # of aces on Boone's t-shirt
- # of years since Hurley's grandfather got his pacemaker
- # of years since Sam Toome killed himself
- # of years since Sawyer made his “birthday wish”
- # of people that will fit on Micheals raft
- # of months michealangelo stared at marble “working” in Locke’s story/Boone then asks if they’re going to stare at the hatch for 4 months
- # of miles due west back to camp from where Locke ties up Boone
- # of people Micheal needed to help did Jack out of the cave-in
- # of refills of Shannons inhaler Boone brought with him
- # of people to die since the plane crash(the sky marshall, Scott, the lady that drowned, Ethan)
- # of days that pass before Jack decides to burn the fuselage/bodies for a signal
- # of kids the nurse taking care of Micheal has
- # of traps Locke sets up around camp to get Ethan
- # of times Hurley says Charlie shot Ethan(He actually was shot 6 times)
- # of months the Psychic tried to convince Claire to raise her baby alone before giving her money and telling her of the couple in LA
- # of planes on Claires baby mobile in her dream
- # of weeks ago John wouldn’t have believed his crazy talk
- # of dice(dotted) in a back gammon game
- Shannon asks Boone what him and Locke have been doing in the jungle for the past 4 days
- Sayid said the French signal could be a SAT 4
- Leonard playing the game Connect Four
- Walt says he needs a 4-3 in the backgammon game

8
- # of months Claire was pregnant when they crashed
- # of Km the hitman tells Jin to drive
- # of people that die in Hurley's shoe factory fire
- # of whiskey shots between Sawyer and Christian Shepherd
- # of hours Kate would spend in the woods with her father tracking deer
- # of years since Micheal got hit by car
- # of years Micheals been writing Walt
- # of months Locke and Helen have been talking
- # of days since Charlie went with out his guitar
- # of weeks driveshaft was going to tour
- # of days after the crash Jack/other survivors moved to the caves
- # of years Micheal worked in construction
- # of months since farmers wife died
- # of years since Kate was arrested(based on mug shot info)
- Sawyers age when his Dad killed himself and his wife(sawyer may have been 9)
- Shannon's age when her Dad married Boones Mom
- news station at Hurley’s Lotto interview
- Walt born in August
- Aisle the regulation footballs are in at the toy store locke works at

15
- # of members on Danielle's research team
- # on whiskey bottle that Sawyer and Christian drink from
- # of hours Boone flew to rescue his sister
- # of kilometers to nearest town from aussie farm
- aisle the nerf footballs are in at the toy store locke works at

16
- # of years Danielle’s distress has been looping
- # of weeks since someone won the lottery before Hurley
- # of years since Sam and Lenny heard the numbers
- # of hours Jack told the lady at the airport desk he had to land in LAX to bury his father/# of hours of flight
- # of red dots in the Oceanic Logo
- Jack, Kate, and Charlie found the pilot 16 hours after the crash
- Age of patient of Jacks first solo procedure
- On numerical die in backgammon game, firs time played
- On “dotted” die in same game numbers were 4, 2, 6, 4, which when added = 16

23
- Jack's seat number was 23A
- The reward for turning Kate in is $23,000

42
- # of spaces on a game of Connect Four board
- # of days late Claires period was when she found out she was preggers

* 815 *
- Flight #815
- Safety deposit box that Kate wanted
- Copier Charlie sold was model #C-815
- Locke tells his mom the footballs are in aisles 8 and 15

* Major Multiples *
- Plane hit turbulence at 40,000 ft
- Charlie jokes about Locke bringing 400 knives
- The guy with the beans was running that scam for 40 years
- “Adam and Eve” have been in the caves for 40 years
- Sawyer got $160,000 from the girls husband as part of the scam

* Combos *
- Driveshaft is #234 on the jukebox. 23 and 4
- 48 survivors. 4 and 8

The numbers are connected to Rousseu, and she made reference to the reason why they got stuck on the island, as well as on the hatch. It's the connection of the numbers to everybody that seems to draw them to the island.

[1CCOSA]

I can't believe I forgot this. I was chatting with a girl I know a few weeks before the premiere and we had the following conversation:

Her: hey remember

Her: when boone is in the plane

Me: next wednesday i know

Me: oops sorry

Me: go on

Her: and he's talking on the radio thingy?

Me: yeah?

Her: i was watching the subtitles, and it went like this

Her: boone: we're the survivors of flight 815

Her: voice: there were no survivors of flight 815

Her: now a few weeks later, they re-ran the episode

Her: and it says

Her: voice: we're the survivors of 815

I put in my Season 1 DVD in and turned on the subtitles when Boone is talking on the radio, and the voice really does say "We're the survivors of 815" (i was not watching the show yet when the episode originally ran). Maybe this in some way confirms the exact twin theory?