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My thought on Eko dying was that like Boone and Shannon they had come to terms w/events in their life.
Boone--The fact that he would never be w/Shannon (as she was w/Sayid)
Shannon--She finally found "love" (her past releationships weren't that serious)
I don't count Libby and AnaL because their deaths weren't supposed to happen yet.
Braaaaaaainssssss
Dude, Eko was the man. My second favorite male "Lostie" behind Sawyer. Dissapointed to see him go.
Nice episode. I don't trust that temptress who's messing with Jack. Sawyer pegged her the second she had a gun on Kate. Wonder how long it will take Jack to figure it out. I predict Jack and Ben are friends by the end of the season, and that blonde girl's treachery will be the act that sets a Ben/Jack alience in motion.
lol miyamoto
It's Radzinski, Kelvin's original hatch partner. I'm convinced.Originally Posted by Dylan1CC
The guy has one eye and wears a Dharma jumpsuit.
Last season, the tail section found a glass eye in the arrow hatch, along with a radio, a blanket, and most importantly, a Bible with a snippet of the Swan Orientation film in it.
And in the season 2 finale, we learn that Radzinski made edits and cuts to the Swan film.
Chain those together, and it points to Radzinkski.
But how does this fit in when Kelvin said Radzinksi blew his brains out? My only explanations are that Radzinkski planned an escape akin to the escape Kelvin planned where he was going to ditch Desmond. Radzinski knew that the hatch had to be maintained, so someone had to stay, akin to what Kelvin thought.
Radzinksi was going to leave Kelvin alone in the hatch so he could escape. My guess is, Radzinski caught or killed one of the 'hostiles' (read: Others), brought the corpse back to the Swan, and faked his own death. With a shotgun blast, the corpse's face would easily be removed and Kelvin, without any real forensic equipment, would assume it's Radzinski.
OR: Kelvin was just lying about Radzinski killing himself. Radzinski may have just ditched Kelvin, and Kelvin, knowing he was the last one to keep the hatch going, stayed because he had to. When Desmond asked Kelvin about him, Kelvin knew he had to lie so Desmond wouldn't ditch him like Radzinkski did.
That's my theory.
metal = rude
I didn't like Eko's death. They built him up so much, like he will be an integral part of the story, but then he just dies. In the end it feels like they never tied his story into the main plot. Everyone else has these wierd connections to the other survivors, but his never came. It feels wierd because his character turned out to be almost trivial, like Boone, when it didn't seem like it would be. So now the two main characters from the tail section are dead, what was the point of that group again?
The new characters are so bad and unnecessary. They stick out like sore thumbs. Exhibit A that the writers really don't have this huge elaborate plot fleshed out. If they had a plan they'd never have done this. I'm hoping they're nothing more than the red shirts on Star Trek and they die next week.
I liked the Ben/Juliet stuff that went on this episode. There is finally some movement in the Others' story line. They are probably both evil.
It was also good to see the smoke monster again. This show needed to get some of the sci fi elements back it's been missing.
13th Monkey
Sausage-in-training
No, he didn't "just die." The monster killed him because he was not sorry for any of the murders he committed when he was drug dealer. For a guy who whines about the show being incoherent/"having no plot," this was one moment on the show where even the weirdest element (the smoke) was for once almost 100% crystal clear in its purpose.
He has other commitments, a movie/directing and is tired of Lost. According to the article below, he didn't just want to leave the show, he was demanding to leave and was becoming difficult on set, even refusing to read his lines unless he had control over the script:
http://community.tvguide.com/forum.j...umID=700000049
Yeah, it stinks that all the tailies are dead and Eko was the most compelling. But it's just the common case of a difficult actor leaving a TV show forcing the writers to end the character's story prematurely.Cuse: When Adewale came on the show, he didn’t want to make a long-term commitment to a series. We love him and so we agreed that he would come on the show and then we would find a time in which his arc would come to an end. And we sort of felt after a lot of conversations with him — most of which took place at the end of the spring last year — that we would finish his character somewhere in [these first] six episodes. And as we started talking about what was going to really help the drama of these six episodes, we thought, “Well, this is the perfect place to do it.” As we said, we all kind of went into this [with the idea] that it was only going to be for a limited period of time.
Ausiello: It's no secret that Adewale wasn’t the most beloved cast member. Did that play any role in his departure? [FYI: In next week's issue of TV Guide magazine — on sale Nov. 9 — my colleague, Shawna Malcom, reports that, per multiple sources, the 39-year-old actor had become an increasingly difficult presence on set, refusing to film scenes as scripted, insisting on rewrites and even "demanding" several times to be released from his contract.]
It's been happening for ages on all through TV's history. The writers being forced to write Eko's death is no different than when McLean Stevenson became difficult/sick of working on M.A.S.H. wanting more rewrites, more power ect. so the writers wrote in the now famous scene of the characters finding out about his death while flying over the ocean.
In light of all of the above, the writers did what they could before he departed and at least tied up his arc neatly. Heck, they even made the monster make more sense in the process.
He was battling his past while trying to redeem himself, in the end he succumbed to his past and wasn't sorry. So the Island/monster said bye-bye to him. Sure, maybe Eko would have decided differently and done something cool later like saving the kids from the Others if Adewale stayed longer. But the actor wanted to leave so what are ya gonna do?
I'm just gonna imagine you're just pulling our legs by pretending that simply seeing the monster itself was the one rewarding factor of this episode's story.It was also good to see the smoke monster again. This show needed to get some of the sci fi elements back it's been missing.
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Pontius is my Co-Pilate
If he wanted off the show so bad, Adabisie should have threatened prison rape on the writers. He'd have been off next week.
Boo, Hiss.
metal = rude
His arc was fine, that wasn't what I was complaining about. It's the fact that at no time did his arc fit into the other arcs to drive the main story forward. I don't think smoke monster showing up and killing him counts. He didn't seem to fit into the island's master plan, and if that's the case, why did they spend so much time building him up? Since they knew he only had a short commitment from the beginning, how can that be an excuse for why his death feels so rushed?
Huell-in-training
Like I stated earlier; Eko didn't do what he was told to do by the island, which was confess his sins. Locke became a man of faith again like the island wanted him to be and he went ahead and saved Eko.
I don't know if this was the writer's idea all along, but if they had to come up with a fast way to kill off Eko, they did an amazing job. However, they better continue with this logic. If they don't, then his death meant nothing.
However, with this logic, the "We're next" remark doesn't make any sense. Why would the smoke monster want to kill them if they do what it wants?
Questions, questions..
Sausage-in-training
His arc impacted Locke's. He saved Locke's faith last year and was the motivation for Locke doing the right thing when he needed to be rescued. He also helped give John some much needed balance in his outlook, hence why last night Locke repeated Eko's line of "Do not mistake coincidence with fate." He totally rejuvenated John as a character. His strength proved that the Others are not all powerful spooks but are weak and can be defeated. He also calmed Claire down when she was worried about Aaron, helped comfort Ana after the 48 days, so he was definitely a complex and well used character. Eko's time on the island definitely drove the main plot forward and his arc fit in fine despite the fact he was an often reclusive character anyways.
The main plot aside, Eko himself was a great character with an end that made sense so I don't see the big beef.
That one part I actually don't believe. That is the exact same thing they said for Michelle Rodriguez (though she did confirm she wanted a one year contract). Cuse and Lindelof always go into damage control spin whenever an actor leaves and like to pretend they have no issues with any of the actors. I assume this is because they want the fans to think they are in 100% control of the show no matter what happens.Since they knew he only had a short commitment from the beginning, how can that be an excuse for why his death feels so rushed?
But their spin about him wanting a short committment is irrelevant anyways since the TV guide article for next week confirms he had become a problem for everyone on set and was demanding to leave.
For all we know, the writers probably had some more events planned out for him but again, what could they do if he wanted to quit? shrug
My thoughts exactly. Now that they have made it look this way and wrote such a logical end for him, they'd better stick with it. Or I am gonna feel mighty dumb for defending them.
Speculation right now is an ominous warning that simply means they're next to be judged. If all it means is that they're next to die like Eko, then I'd be really disappointed and the smoke would be little more than B movie monster material.However, with this logic, the "We're next" remark doesn't make any sense. Why would the smoke monster want to kill them if they do what it wants?
Last edited by 1CCOSA; 02 Nov 2006 at 06:53 PM.
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