Presidential Election 2004

[Tigana]

You wouldn't acknowledge the facts. No point in debating rationally when someone is determined to be right even when they clearly aren't.

Ah, because someone inteprets his words differently, they are automatically wrong. I also fail to see how you can consider anything rational, when you are the one who considers the environment to be the most important thing in this election.

[Diff-chan]

g0zen, I hear you. But really, whose fault is it for letting a bunch of terrorists grow so powerful and ubiquitous in this area? Whose fault is it for spending the past 50 years indoctrinating hatred and violence instead of building a functional, civil society? Who decided to pick up guns instead of the works of Gandhi?

But shoot, yea, lets give 'em a state.

Anyway, CNN put up a totally rad picture of Bush and Kerry shooting eye lasers at each other across the state of Ohio, and its my new avatar.

[SpoDaddy]

If the Palestinians stopped being terrorists for a little while then everyone would look at the situation and push for change. Jeb Bush will NOT be the Republican candidate in 2008, it doesn't make sense. As it is a lot of people hate George Bush because they hate the idea of a father and son both getting to be the President, it'd be suicide to roll out another Bush. John McCain has made huge political strides in the last 4 years and is positioning himself perfectly to get the nomination, and a ton of democrats will vote for him.

[g0zen]

Ah, because someone inteprets his words differently, they are automatically wrong. I also fail to see how you can consider anything rational, when you are the one who considers the environment to be the most important thing in this election.

You can 'interpret' things any way you want, but what he actually said is what was in question.

Also, if you don't think the air you breathe, water you drink, and the food you eat are important then you're not only irrational, you're delusional.

g0zen, I hear you. But really, whose fault is it for letting a bunch of terrorists grow so powerful and ubiquitous in this area? Whose fault is it for spending the past 50 years indoctrinating hatred and violence instead of building a functional, civil society? Who decided to pick up guns instead of the works of Gandhi?

But shoot, yea, lets give 'em a state.

Anyway, CNN put up a totally rad picture of Bush and Kerry shooting eye lasers at each other across the state of Ohio, and its my new avatar.

Araffat is a scumbag, I understand that, but his support wasn't hurt by the war-mongers Israel had over the years. I think right now is the peak time to take the initiative there, Araffat is a vegetable and Sharon is determined to bring peace even at the cost of his popularity. If Bush wanted to impress me, and make a real dent in the 'War on Terror' then it all hinges on him going full force to press for peace and co-existence in Israel / Palestine.

[Saint of Killers]

As it is a lot of people hate George Bush because they hate the idea of a father and son both getting to be the President

Um.

No.

[Tigana]

Also, if you don't think the air you breathe, water you drink, and the food you eat are important then you're not only irrational, you're delusional.

May I ask you what determined this election? What did the people voters against Bush use as their main reasons? Was it the environment, NO. It was the war and the economy.

How did Bush win this election? It was national security and moral values, and not the environment.

Environment was NOT an issue in this election. Whether you thought it should be is a rather moot point.

[g0zen]

How did Bush win this election? It was national security and moral values, and not the environment.

If you're trying to tell me that blocking Gay Marriage is worth letting the environment continue it's decline, then I don't know what to say to you. Your logic is completely alien to me. Also, he hasn't won the election yet.

Environment was NOT an issue in this election. Whether you thought it should be is a rather moot point.

I never said it was a hot-button election issue, it should be, but I know it isn't. You were calling me on thinking it was important, to me, and I told you why I do. Please, for the love whatever you consider holy, try to keep up with the conversation.

EDIT: IP pwned

[Fe 26]

Why not, that'll be fun to watch. I doubt either side would "gracefully" accept defeat. Either way we get both sides screaming at each other to die while one is in power. But here's the scary part:

Once the Justices start retiring, we'll have a 1 party majority federal government in all 3 branches. Is this a good thing?

No. It isn't. But if that does happen, I better get the right to own a fucking assault rifle and an armed tank.

something good better come of this mess.

[aren]

Edwards made a short and good speech basically saying that they'll make sure every vote is counted.

Kerry just won Michigan which is worth 17 electoral votes..

[Tigana]

If you're trying to tell me that blocking Gay Marriage is worth letting the environment continue it's decline, then I don't know what to say to you. Your logic is completely alien to me. Also, he wasn't won the election yet.




I never said it was a hot-button election issue, it should be, but I know it isn't. You were calling me on thinking it was important, to me, and I told you why I do. Please, for the love whatever you consider holy, try to keep up with the conversation.

Dude, you misunderstood me in the other debate. I didn't question the worthiness of your issue. I was just saying that the election wasn't going to be decided by that issue.