Not Wanted

[burgundy]

I doubt that's covered under the warranty.

[sethsez]

Am I against gay people having equal rights? Of course not..... am I against them changing the underlying meaning of a religious institution when they could just as easily be given the same rights under the banner of a civil union? You better believe I am.

Lets look at it this way, we have marriage which was established through religion as the joining of a man and a woman.. the same religious groups that are against gay relationship of any kind and therefore are offended when said people wish to claim the name for their own good and in affect ruining the name or meaning of that which is an important part of the values of religion.

ok

Lets flip this around, look at Kwanzaa... (now this is extreme but follow me) what if... lets say a group like the KKK wanted to take Kwanzaa and start using that as a special white people are better then everyone else day.

Do you think that African Americans would get pissed?

Of course they would, here they are celebrating their heritage.. something that is special to them.. and some group which stands for the opposite of what they stand for wants to ruin its good name.


Is the marriage thing only acceptable because bashing fat white religion nuts is popular?

Or is it so because we are all p.c and dont want to offend anyone unless they are fat white religious nuts?

It comes down to common sense.... change the name but give them the same.

As long as civil unions have the exact same rights as marriage (which they currently don't) then I don't give a fuck what you call it. Though if I were to use an analogy, I'd say it's similar to Christmas being made into a secular holiday for everyone (by way of Santa and Rudolph) instead of a purely Christian holiday. Christians still worship Jesus, the rest of us take part in every other aspect of what is now a secular holiday. But then again, analogies can be easily tailored to make any possible point.

And to whoever said "it gives special rights to gays" (I can't remember who but I'm betting Yoshi), theoretically it gives more rights to everyone. After all, marriage is between a man and a woman and that's the same for everyone, right? Well letting two people of the same sex have civil unions isn't a "gay right" because it would be extended to everyone as well, heterosexuals included, and is thus not a "gay right." The logic extends both ways.

[Saint of Killers]

If they legalized civil unions for homosexuals I can definitely see straight people getting them for tax purposes. Equal rights!

[sethsez]

Straight people can already get them. Men and women can get married for tax benefits right now.

[Saint of Killers]

I meant I can see alot of straight peole getting "gay" civil unions for tax purposes.

[sethsez]

Has this happened anywhere it's been legalized? Massachusetts, the Netherlands, Canada, etc...?

[Saint of Killers]

I dunno. I'd probably do it though.

[Drewbacca]

Oh shut up. You lost, you're wanted you just lost. Get over it, someone had to win. More people felt Bush was a better man for the job. If you're not wanted move to Mexico, Canada's full. But I'm telling you right now you'll miss the indoor plumbing and American TV.

Kind of an overaction, guys, don't you think? The country somehow managed to weather Jimmy Carter, who was, imo, the worst president of my lifetime, and one of the worst president's in our nation's history. The point isn't whether or not you agree with my assessment of Carter -- it's that Americans don't give up on their passions and beliefs just because their guy didn't win the election. It happens every four years, and somehow people persevere.

Edit: Example: plenty of people (e.g., republicans, and even some others) absolutely despised Clinton, who hung around for a whole eight years. They didn't abandon anything, and arguably, they got their shit together and managed to convince the country to give Bush 8 years.

It's funny that whenever one's candidate loses, there is a tendency to think that then entire fabric of the country has somehow unraveled in a very short span of time. That's simply not the case. Buck up.

You said it better.

[Mman]

Still, the riff between people now is bigger than it has been in 30 years. If people were not so apathetic and lazy we would be living in a hell of turbulent times.

[Cowutopia]

Um. America has spoken. America has shown that their will is another four years of George W. Bush, Republican leaders and bans on gay marriage. While I would normally be inclined to yell and shout about "the stupidity of the average American," over these sorts of results, there is only one thing that I feel upon viewing the electoral map:

I'm not wanted.

People like myself who realized that voting on terrorism was unmerited, who realized the impending reversal of the Roe v. Wade decision, who realized the poor decisions on the economy, who realized the poor execution of the Iraq war; we're not wanted.

People like us are not needed or wanted in a country where common sense, logical thinking and rationality are shunned for idealogical pandering and a plea to irrational fears.

I was hopeful. I thought Kerry stood a chance. But, the people have spoken. I can't see any reason to continue caring anymore about the direction that America is heading, since my opinion is not of the majority. I'll get over it, but right now it feels as though there is no reason to live. This was a very personal election for me.

I just wanted to thank you guys for being my friends and I hope that you all voted, regardless of who you voted for. I also want to thank the members of my "opposition" who didn't vote on terrorism - at least you voted your heart or your wallet and I appreciate your sensibility. I congratulate the President on legitmizing himself after some major attacks because of the 2000 Florida vote.

Take care, you guys. Thanks for being here. I hope other "liberals" and "Democrats" will not engage in name-calling or other childish activities.

I feel the same way. We're all depressed and a little scared. But then again the northeast is a safe ideological haven, even if it is under the same president as the rest of the country.

There's so much I could say about this, but Mike really nailed everything. Especially the sentiment that you guys are friends.
...My parents are overreacting. They're looking up real-estate listings in Canada. I don't quite think it's exactly time for that yet. Though I may be wrong.