Not Wanted

[LOL]

I miss Bill Clinton.

[Clash!]

Well, if you got $200,000 he'll come to your house and give you a speech. Will that make you feel better?

[Saint of Killers]

but right now it feels as though there is no reason to live.

I'll loan you the gun.

Also note that the deficit was gigantic in the 80s, and Reagan cut taxes. Yet, somehow, we still enjoyed a huge economic boom over the ensuing years. The economy, the debt, the deficit -- they all ebb and flow depending on a whole lot of factors other than who is president and the immediate domestic and national policies.

The Reagan administration was directly responsible for the economic boom of the 80s (and some would say the recession of the early 90s). A massive arms buildup does wonders for the economy, at least in the relatively short term.

Where are you getting this from? Curiously, one of the biggest threats to Europe's economy is underpopluation -- a point I explained in some detail in a thread earlier this year. Regardless, the president doesn't decide where people choose to live in this country, and Roe v. Wade isn't going anywhere.

Rehnquist isn't going to last much longer, and Bush will choose his successor. I think Roe vs. Wade is in quite alot of trouble at the moment.

[Bacon McShig]

If anything, this election will make the Democrats realize how fucked up they are now. They havent had a consistent, guiding message for years. Theyll be much stronger in 2 and 4 years, and yea the entire country will benefit from this.

I hope you're right. I won't argue that Kerry was a pretty half-assed candidate.

[Clash!]

I'll loan you the gun.

Classy.

[Jimmy Carter]

I'm not wanted.

Not quite true. You'd expect me to be the last to say it, but liberals like yourself are the most important asset to conservatives like myself.

You see, if it weren't for the left, we wouldn't have a right. You cannot define one without the other. It's like good and evil (pick whichever assignment you want).

If you guys weren't as liberal as you are, it wouldn't make us as conservative as we are. And this I find important. A friend asked me, "Wouldn't a total Republican domination be cool?" And I said, no. Why? The Republicans start to get moderate, and that isn't good, in conservative's minds, for America.

And for that, you are wanted.

[Calliander]

Thanks to the "traditionally" conservative posters keeping a level head with my whininess. You've all helped make the day a little more bearable.

I'll loan you the gun.

I'm pretty pissed at Apple right now. I wouldn't trust me to use it properly.

Rehnquist isn't going to last much longer, and Bush will choose his successor. I think Roe vs. Wade is in quite alot of trouble at the moment.

Is it four seats Bush can appoint in the coming years?

Saying that RvW is not in danger is wishful denial or being in on the conspiracy.

[Curtis]

In 2000, I used Nader for what I believe his candidacy is supposed to be, more of a protest vote than a serious bid for the office. Of course, "my guy" lost and I knew that going in. I wouldn't have wanted Nader as president either, but I just didn't trust Bush or Gore and my fears were more than justified. I wanted McCain, but we all know how that went. Thanks, Mr. Rove.

The key problem I see with Bush is his lack of common sense, or at least his apparent lack of it. Starving the beast doesn't work when you overfeed it from outside money and only make it bigger. Reaganomics is questionable to begin with, especially when you don't take note of American companies who insist on making American dollars with outside work forces and the need to make exceptions in the tax breaks for them to end what's essentially a free ride. Honestly, because I don't see what benefit they're doing America.

Maybe he does understand this and his talk of increasing tax breaks was campaign fodder, I really don't know. What I do know is that that, in our current state, would just be shooting ourselves in the only good foot we've got left.

But, back on track, this election WAS different, because a lot of us DID try. We didn't make the protest vote, at max we only kinda liked our guy and it was a deeply personal thing. Last night was a punch in the gut, it really was. I had the wind knocked out of me, had no idea what I was feeling and it took the obsurdity of a 1:30am conversation with a gas station attendent who was listening to the Bible Broadcasting Network while sitting on the floor and praying for Kerry to snap me out of it.

This sucks, it really fucking does, but this is how it works. If we'd won, the Republicans wouldn't be running off and making threads that read as a third suicide/third leaving the board/third just giving up on the country. They'd be mad as hell and intent on stopping this from happening again.

The division in this country is great and needs to be at least somewhat healed but, for fuck's sake, you went in there and voted for who you thought best, with the choices given, to lead the country. With nothing standing in your way more than, maybe, a line. And you can do that, on an even more personal scale, next year and in four more years, you can have a shot at the top seat again. I saw something at the polls yesterday I've never seen in my four years of eligibility to vote; a line of mostly black voters stretched halfway around the building before 7am. These are people I never saw up at the schoolhouse before. Don't for one Goddamned second tell me that you're going to piss and moan and throw in the towl.

The division is great and needs some healing and you carry that attitude while you go out and do everything in your power to make sure this doesn't happen next time. Sure "But we really tried this time. Extra hard" is an intimidating thing to swallow and so is the fact that BS swiftboat ads and campaigns claiming the end of the end of the Bible in the country had a play on how this turned out - but that's just showing that we didn't try nearly hard enough.

Does the system need reform? Yeah. Yeah, it does, much like most things in this country, but right now we have to make the absolute most out of what we have. Next we might want to try not sacrificing ourselves in favor of someone we think can win.

Suck it up, keep on moving forward.

...I rant too much...

[Mzo]

I still love u Mike

[epmode]

but do you want him?