This solidifies that the ps3 will ship after 2005.

[Mamoscott]

Xbox 2 is fucked at launch?

Fucked at launch? Please, I would never say something that stupid.

The date that Microsoft's next console officially hits store shelves is entirely irrelevant, save for deciding the method Sony will utilize to demolish the Xbox 2 with the PS3. The Xbox 2 is already fucked right at this very moment.

[BRAD73]

Mamoscott you are saving me alot of typing


Yes it has a brand name now and some "large publishers committing big name games to it" but the fact remains that anything not named Halo simply doesnt sell. It literally does have to launch with Halo 3 to have a chance, and seeing as Halo 2 just came out and the Xbox 2 should be out next Christmas I really don't see how that is possible.

Anything not named Halo simply doesn't sell , you need to check your sources, ESPN 2K5 football, Rainbow Six Black Arrow, and Star Wars Battlefront are all top ten sellers for the last couple of months. Game of the Year last year was KOTOR and it sold very well and it was an Xbox exclusive. How can you say if anything not called Halo doesn't sell?

[Bacon McShig]

Come on now, Xbox started last gen with everything against it; the exclusives aside from Halo and, to a lesser degree, PGR and DOA3 were largely crappy token offerings (Mad Dash Racing, Kabuki Warriors, Cel Damage), many ports for it were either done months behind the PS2 release or not at all, the size of the system and the controller made it the butt of every joke; everyone was rooting for MS to fail. They climbed their way up from all that to get a sizable market share and the respect of pretty much everyone, if they can get 20% market share starting a year behind and with all that standing in their way, they're gonna do a hell of a lot better with neither of those setbacks.

Yes it has a brand name now and some "large publishers committing big name games to it" but the fact remains that anything not named Halo simply doesnt sell. It literally does have to launch with Halo 3 to have a chance, and seeing as Halo 2 just came out and the Xbox 2 should be out next Christmas I really don't see how that is possible.

Hm, let's see what PS3 is going to offer for their launch before we start saying Xbox is worthless without Halo, shall we? If they repeat their shoddy PS2 performance, a Halo is hardly necessary. Having the first Madden with next-gen graphics would more than do the trick, and oh look, they'll probably get just that. Also, your accusation that "anything not named Halo simply doesnt sell" is flat-out wrong. Many multiplatform games sell almost as many units on Xbox as they do on PS2, some even outsell the PS2 counterpart. When you factor in that how many times more PS2s out there than there are Xboxes, that's very impressive.

The date that Microsoft's next console officially hits store shelves is entirely irrelevant, save for deciding the method Sony will utilize to demolish the Xbox 2 with the PS3. The Xbox 2 is already fucked right at this very moment.

Okay, you're nuts. They're already losing a good bit of money on every PSP made, you think they're going to supercharge the PS3 to lose a bunch on those, too? Sony doesn't have to prove their viability in the console market by making a powerhouse at the sacrifice of profits, like MS did with Xbox. They're the market leader by a large margin, and thusly they will likely opt to put a low-production-cost console that meets Xbox 2's power or, at best, goes a teeny-tiny bit further, and assume that the PS-brand name will coast them the rest of the way. Your idea that a company, any company, that is solidly in first place will fight a far second-place with the same dogged determination and risky ventures that the second place company employs is patently absurd. It's fat and happy vs. lean and hungry.

[piku]

Anything not named Halo simply doesn't sell , you need to check your sources, ESPN 2K5 football, Rainbow Six Black Arrow, and Star Wars Battlefront are all top ten sellers for the last couple of months. Game of the Year last year was KOTOR and it sold very well and it was an Xbox exclusive. How can you say if anything not called Halo doesn't sell?

There have been a total of five Xbox games that have sold over a million copies.

Halo
Halo 2
GTA 3/Vice City double pack
Spinter Cell
Project Gotham 2


edit: Oh and Splinter Cell tops the other three titles besides Halo with a staggering total of 1.5 million copies. As comparison there have been five Activision titles alone which have sold more than a million copies on the Playstation 2.

[EvilMog]

Bickering about Xbox 2 vs PS3 is fucking HILARIOUS! Anyone at this point that claims one is better than the other needs to sit down and shut the fuck up.

[Wildkat]

My god....I almost feel like I am on the bus to middle school again and the two geeks in front of me are arguing SNES VS Genesis.

[BRAD73]

There have been a total of five Xbox games that have sold over a million copies.

Halo
Halo 2
GTA 3/Vice City double pack
Spinter Cell
Project Gotham 2


edit: Oh and Splinter Cell tops the other three titles besides Halo with a staggering total of 1.5 million copies. As comparison there have been five Activision titles alone which have sold more than a million copies on the Playstation 2.

I didn't even say they sold over a million copies, I just simply stated that they did well.

[Diff-chan]

Bickering about Xbox 2 vs PS3 is fucking HILARIOUS! Anyone at this point that claims one is better than the other needs to sit down and shut the fuck up.

Exactly. As of right now any arguments about it is straight up speculation, and its borderline ideological. If you like the Xbox there's plenty of speculative proof to back you up, and if you dont, likewise.

So STFU Mamoscott.

[BRAD73]

Bickering about Xbox 2 vs PS3 is fucking HILARIOUS! Anyone at this point that claims one is better than the other needs to sit down and shut the fuck up.

I know, all of these fucking speculations on who is going to be better than who is just pointless. We'll have no idea till we actually play both systems for a while. We'll never even see their peak potentials till probably a year or more later anyway.

[Jeremy]

Xbox 2 vs. PS3 arguments are pointless, VIVA LA REVOLUTION!