BattleStar Galactica (Is over)

[haohmaru]

Hot Dog = Adama's real life son.

Ie... Olmos and Olmos. I was floored by that.

[∀ Narayan]

I disliked the finale.

That is all.

[Brand X]

I liked the way it wrapped up the series. There will never be nor has there been a better Sci-Fi series in television history.

..y'know, even though I've pretty much hated the direction the show has gone ever since leaving New Caprica, I'd agree with that.

I agree completely with both of these posts. I was going into the finale expecting the worst and ended up being very surprised with how well I thought they wrapped up the series. It seemed almost impossible to me that they were going to end it with some sort of intensity and having me still care for the characters, while closing up most of the loose ends they had left open with the horrible few episodes leading up to the conclusion. But they somehow actually ended up doing that, and doing it really well. Not quite as bleak of a finale as I thought, but I didn't mind that at all.

Seriously, even with things going downhill after season 3, I can't recommend this series enough to people who love scifi & to people who never really enjoyed it. It's really just that damn good and it's really going to suck not having any more episodes no matter the direction the show took.

Though we are getting a new 2 hour special in the fall which looks awesome, so it's not completely over.

[gamevet]

Though we are getting a new 2 hour special in the fall which looks awesome, so it's not completely over.

The show Caprica looks interesting as well.

[haohmaru]

Judging from the preview, I don't think Caprica will be much like BSG at all. That's not too say it's going to suck or anything, it's just going to be more drama and less action as far as I can tell.

[Brand X]

The Caprica preview didn't look all that great to me. Granted I'll give it a watch because of the source material, I'm not going in with any expectations.

[SpoDaddy]

I got hooked on BSG about two months ago, and caught up to the current episodes three days before the finale. It's definitely one of my all-time favorite shows, but I have to say the quality of the writing took a nosedive in Season 4 and the finale kind of sucked. I think my disdain for Season 4 would be even greater if I had to wait several months after the finale of Season 3 (with 4 of the final 5 being revealed) to see it. There's so much awesome stuff they could have done with that, but they essentially did nothing. Aside from Tori, none of them really changed at all after the revelation that they were Cylons.

I read that Ronald D. Moore was asked by a fan recently about what the deal is with Starbuck, and his answer was "She's whatever you want her to be." That's a huge cop-out, and supremely disappointing given the vision and quality of the show for it's first three seasons. Coming away from the finale, my biggest questions are:

-Why was Hera so important that the entire universe had to go to war over her? I know she's supposed to be "Eve", but what does that mean? Clearly there were humans before her, and we never saw any differences between humans in the show and modern-day humans, so what about her was so special? I understand why the Cylons wanted her so bad (she's the only successful example of Cylon procreation), but why the humans?

-We were told at least twice (including at the climax of the "Razor" movie) that Kara Thrace was the Harbinger of Death that would lead humanity to it's death. She followed her logical progression, acted on all the ideas and signals that came to her (flying into the storm, jumping the ship to the notes from the song, etc.) and ended up leading the humans to salvation. It makes no sense.

-If the Operahouse dreams served no purpose other than to give the characters a mental GPS of sorts in finding Hera when she ran away, why were we hammered over the head with it for three seasons? It feels like hours and hours of showtime were devoted to those Operahouse dreams, only to serve a contrived minor event in the finale. Why would Hera even run away at that point? She's with her parents finally after being kidnapped, and she ends up with Cavel anyway. Lame.

-Why did the show play up the "Baltar as religious cult leader" plotline for the entire season, only to have him drop it on a whim in the finale with no real reason or consequence?

-After four seasons of watching the humans spend entire episodes planning and carrying out precision tactical strikes against the Cylons in order to survive, a dead body falling on a launch button at just the right moment pointing just the right way is what kills the Cylons? That's lame contrived bullshit.

-I don't understand why it was so important that they forsake all of their technology and split up. I understand the theme that technology often allows us to do bad things, not because we should, but because we can. That said, they had to know that eventually the human race would rediscover all of this technology again and be in the same position. Wouldn't it be more effective to pass on everything they've learned about the dangers of technology unchecked? Saying "Fuck it, let's be cavemen again" erases all the lessons they've learned and passes the buck to a future generation with far less perspective. And why would the fleet, which elected Baltar precisely because they were tired of the "hard" life and wanted to live comfortably on New Caprica, suddenly pull a 180 and decide to rough it for no pressing reason?

Things I liked about the finale:

-I loved the flashbacks during pivotal moments, like Boomer getting saved from expulsion by Adama and promising to pay him back "someday when it really counts" and Roselyn cougaring a former student.

-I loved seeing Boomer get waxed after handing over Hera.

-Cavil blowing his head off made no sense whatsoever, since he's always been a character obsessed with living for eternity, but it was still cool to see.

-Galactica ramfucking the Cylon stronghold in order to pour strike teams in was badass.

-Roselyn's death, with Adama taking off his wedding ring and putting it on her finger, almost made me cry. I saw the Adama-Roselyn romance coming ever since the original miniseries, and I was dreading it, but in hindsight I had no reason to. It was incredibly well written and believable, and didn't rely on passionate fuck-scenes to show us how much the characters loved each other.

-Watching Galactica collapse on itself was powerful and fitting. If only most of the other characters got the same respect from the writers that Galactica itself did.


I'm really depressed that the show is over, because even at it's worst it's still better than everything else on television. 24 is awesome but it'll be over soon, Dexter doesn't come back until September, Terminator has gone down the shitter with endless Sarah Conner dream sequence episodes, and Dollhouse is unwatchable. Someone please point me towards some quality tv.

[Jetman]

Yeah, some of your gripes are starting to nag at me too, as more of my co-workers are seeing the finale and discussing it now.

- I really dont know what purpose Hera served either. I mean, I would have said that her DNA mixed in with the humans already here,and over numerous generations,humanity evolved differently somehow.BUT, they mention in the present day that "Mitochondrial Eve" was the body of a dead young girl found with her parents or whatever, so I doubt she eventually was old enough to have kids (or thats the feeling I got) - so she just got to Earth with her family and died? Thats it?

-With Kara, I guess one of her bodies was found on the fake Earth, where nothing else was alive, so I guess theres a chance she brought that version of humanity death? *shrugs*

-I have no idea what happened to Baltar in S4 either. I guess the writers just didnt want to focus on him, so they threw him in the middle of the lame savior plot device.

-with the 13th Colony being nuked - couldnt the cylons detect when nukes were active?The fleet sure could. Youd think the cylons would have said, "Holy shit - backdoor nukes incoming!" and just wasted the Raptors. Maybe Anders fucked with the Hybrids enough to where they didnt see them coming?

And I think Ive heard this elsewhere, but it would have made more sense to put the entire fleet along with a record of what went down on the moon or Mars or something, so the current human race could learn from their ancestors' mistakes.
Giving up technology seemed a little far-fecthed. I cant believe SOMEONE wouldnt have snuck out a weapon, a radio, or something out of the fleet. I also felt pretty badly for Baltar by the end. The greatest scientific mind had to give up the one thing he's the best at to grow and farm...

[SpoDaddy]

- I really dont know what purpose Hera served either. I mean, I would have said that her DNA mixed in with the humans already here,and over numerous generations,humanity evolved differently somehow.BUT, they mention in the present day that "Mitochondrial Eve" was the body of a dead young girl found with her parents or whatever, so I doubt she eventually was old enough to have kids (or thats the feeling I got) - so she just got to Earth with her family and died? Thats it?

I totally forgot about them saying she was a dead young girl; now it makes even less sense than I thought it did.

-With Kara, I guess one of her bodies was found on the fake Earth, where nothing else was alive, so I guess theres a chance she brought that version of humanity death? *shrugs*

I never thought of it that way. Maybe the Cylons figured the fleet would tear itself apart once Kara brought them to a radioactive Earth (which it almost did)?

-with the 13th Colony being nuked - couldnt the cylons detect when nukes were active?The fleet sure could. Youd think the cylons would have said, "Holy shit - backdoor nukes incoming!" and just wasted the Raptors. Maybe Anders fucked with the Hybrids enough to where they didnt see them coming?

The Cylons definitely could detect active nukes, because they knew when Adama was about to nuke the planet with the temple on it. They knew when he was loading the nukes, when the nukes went into the launch tubes, and when the nukes were activated and cleared for launch.

If I remember correctly, the Raptor with the nukes lost it's crew at the very beginning of the fight. Which means the Cylons had the entire battle to say "Hey, there's a Raptor with active nukes cleared for launch floating over there, maybe we should do something".

[epmode]

- I really dont know what purpose Hera served either. I mean, I would have said that her DNA mixed in with the humans already here,and over numerous generations,humanity evolved differently somehow.BUT, they mention in the present day that "Mitochondrial Eve" was the body of a dead young girl found with her parents or whatever, so I doubt she eventually was old enough to have kids (or thats the feeling I got) - so she just got to Earth with her family and died? Thats it?

By definition, "Mitochondrial Eve" implies that she had children.

I agree that the whole Hera thing was handled pretty terribly tho.