Spider-man 3

[Will]

The costumes didn't bother me at all, I don't see how they would have done the Goblin Mask any different really. Really, make up or something?

Yeah I was thinking the same thing.

It's hard to come up with something that keeps the image of the goblin's face all the while making a way to show that's it's really Willem talking. The only thing I would have changed is to have less of the head bobbing and shaking. Sometimes it looked cool like on the glider but that's pretty much it, otherwise it looks kind of goofy and silly.

As for the costume rumor, I'm not going to really comment on them until I see some hard evidence or pics which I'm sure we won't be seeing for a while. The website did update with a candidate listing here:

http://spiderman.sonypictures.com/movie/vgallery/

[Jetman]

- and it was perfectly fine.

No. just..no.Take another look:




This is how he should have looked:



Or this:





As for the Venom, thing. As long as its not a mechanical robo Venom suit, it still has a chance...

[mollipen]

No. just..no.Take another look:

Still looks fine to me.

However, I'm not a huge fan of the comic. I looked through Sony's page of "possible villains," and 99% of them look uttery, ridiculously stupid. So, for me, there's nowhere they can go with villain designs but up.

Spiderman fans being upset by the change, I can understand that. I can't feel upset with them, however.

[Jetman]

Still looks fine to me.

Well, I think Rumpy was spot on with the emotions thing. I would have liked to see some facial expressions or something from the Goblin besides him squinting his eyes.The previous costume just didnt allow for it. Without any facial movements, the director has to rely, on those awkward looking 'mime' syle body movements to convey emotion (like the aforementioned rooftop scene). One of the other above suits would have allowed for more than that, and made the movie all the better for it , imo.

[mollipen]

Well, I think Rumpy was spot on with the emotions thing. I would have liked to see some facial expressions or something from the Goblin besides him squinting his eyes.

Okay... how?

You can't just give Willam facepaint or something - it would look idiotic. Makeup and whatnot? How does he easily go from being regular guy to the Green Goblin?

I think the only real answer was a mask.

[Jetman]

Okay... how?

You can't just give Willam facepaint or something - it would look idiotic. Makeup and whatnot?

Exactly. Some really kick-ass face work would have done wonders for the character.Not just paint, obviously, but there are plenty of horror movies out there that did it with success (dont make me link all of them).You're telling me Raimi couldnt have put something to that effect in his movie? My guess is Dafoe was being a bitch about it and didnt want to sit in a make-up effect chair for hours hence the robo Goblin.

How does he easily go from being regular guy to the Green Goblin?

Well, yeah, its not going to be an easy process. Did you need to see the Green Goblin pull off his boxers and Armani's and put on the slick green suit to make the change seem more real? We dont need to see that. If he would have gone with the 'hulked' out monster gob, then special effects could have tied that together nicely.

[mollipen]

Well, yeah, its not going to be an easy process. Did you need to see the Green Goblin pull off his boxers and Armani's and put on the slick green suit to make the change seem more real? We dont need to see that. If he would have gone with the 'hulked' out monster gob, then special effects could have tied that together nicely.

My point is, how would it be explained, movie storyline wise, how he switches back and forth so easily? Shape change? Mutation? A host of helpers to put his make-up on him at any possible moment? That's the problem.

Since I'm not familiar with the comics, how is this handled in the comic? Does he, as you said, "hulk up?"

[MechDeus]

This is how he should have looked:

Because both of those designs fit so well with the execution of the character and story.

The problem that exists with comic books to movies is that comics are based on designs that look fucking stupid as shit in real life and often only look good because of the artist's proportions and overall visual style. The X-Men movie looked really good because they completely threw out the comic's designs, and this in turn signalled a change to Marvel as to how things should look. Take a look at the current lineup of Ultimate books and you'll see a lot more characters in actual clothes, and even the costumes are designed as suits of armor with a couple of them being colored very silly.

With Green Goblin they set it up as a government designed suit of armor and glider, why the hell would anyone trade a special suit of armor for a rubber suit and mask?

"Well, let's see. I've got this awesome glider and very protective suit, maybe a rubber mask can make me fearsome enough for everyone to ignore that I'm creating a huge weak spot."

Granted, yes, it makes zero sense that the government would help create a suit with that kind of a look to the helmet, but at least it goes together.

Well, yeah, its not going to be an easy process. Did you need to see the Green Goblin pull off his boxers and Armani's and put on the slick green suit to make the change seem more real? We dont need to see that. If he would have gone with the 'hulked' out monster gob, then special effects could have tied that together nicely.

So you're saying that every time the Green Goblin goes out he should first sit down at his makeup desk and work on his face for two hours? C'mon, look at the second design you posted and think about how it would look with a real person wearing it. It's a tight shirt and purple pants with a cape. Second-rate haunted house for teenagers, $6.50 entry, here we come!

I'm not saying the mask they have is flawless or anything, but it works well and fits.

My point is, how would it be explained, movie storyline wise, how he switches back and forth so easily? Shape change? Mutation?

Both of those would rule out him passing it on. UNLESS HARRY DRINKS HIS BLOOD AND GAINS HIS POWERS ZOMG

One of my favorite scenes in Spiderman was the infamous rooftop talking scene. Not for the reasons other people remember and hate it, but because it was one of the few scenes in the movie where you could tell people were actually wearing those outfits. IIRC that was the only shot of the flick where you could see DaFoe talking with the helmet on, and the way that whole scene was so cheesy just made it more real. It was two people wearing these ridiculous and bright outfits just standing for a moment, and having them be there without running around or fighting or anything really helped sell me on the idea on them wearing such crazy things.

[Jetman]

My point is, how would it be explained, movie storyline wise, how he switches back and forth so easily? Shape change? Mutation? A host of helpers to put his make-up on him at any possible moment? That's the problem.

Since I'm not familiar with the comics, how is this handled in the comic? Does he, as you said, "hulk up?"

Well, if I remember right that first 'original' style Goblin from that pic I linked up top, just had some standard costume he would wear along with that monstrous inhuman looking mask that he could pull off at will. I dont think the details on his mask were ever explained, it just was always really form fitting, and would change expressions along with the character - totally unlike a mask. The second demonic one (from Ultimate Spiderman), would pump himself full of this chemical and change/mutate like the Hulk (which would have been better for the movie, I think, seeing as they already wrote in the story that Osborn was affected by this green gas stuff to begin with).

I'm not saying the whole cool looking horror mask angle would have been easy to do, but it could have been done - and would have looked better than the big green bicycle helmet with a mouth.

[mollipen]

MechDeus said everything that I soon would have said, so just re-read his post and pretend like I also wrote it.