43 million Gran Turismos served. 6 million GT4s.

[MarkRyan]

GT4 has B-Spec so you don't have to race

[sethsez]

GT4 has B-Spec so you don't have to race

Which is the dumbest idea for a racing game ever.

Also, I liked this thread more when it was about Johnny Cash and disco.

[MarkRyan]

Which is the dumbest idea for a racing game ever.

Then don't use it. It's never necessary, and you can race better without.

[sethsez]

Yeah, but like Mr B said, a good chunk of the races are boring. They need to trim the fat.

[maruchan]

so whats the point of this thread..

[MarkRyan]

Yeah, but like Mr B said, a good chunk of the races are boring. They need to trim the fat.

The only ones I find boring are the ones that require stupid cars from the 20s that have less than 50 horsepower (and they're all two or three lap races). Otherwise, the other specific-make races make you race stuff like a BMW 120, Corvette, 350Z, etc. I like that the game has you driving various cars--gives you a chance to appreciate how different they all are and forces you to learn to drive new types of cars (driving a Viper, for instance, isn't at all like driving an Impreza STi).

[kingoffighters]

so whats the point of this thread..

No point, which is what TNL is all about (and I love it all the same).

[StriderKyo]

Anyway, I think this backlash against Gran Turismo 4 has got to be from lack of playing it.

That's entirely possible. I couldn't even look at 4 after 3. I came to a point where I needed mountains of money to advance to the next race...which was the same as other tracks I'd just done, except backwards. The fastest way to get money was to race the featureless oval dozens of times - I was actually sitting there telling myself "okay, just do this race 14 more times and you can get the new gearshift".

And what lay beyond that next race, once I'd finally gotten it? Why, the endurance series! Same old tracks, but NOW I HAD TO COMPLETE 300 LAPS. At 1 minute 43 seconds per lap, you can do the math on that one - God forbid if I had to do it mulltiple times to win it.

And all the while, that fucking Lenny Kravitz song was looping over & over in the background, taunting me..."I'm off somewhere pumping hot white chicks wearing money condoms and I don't even have talent! So you go spend all your free time for the next two months going around in a circle on an imaginary racetrack, loser!"

And that was it. When Lenny Kravitz is mocking you, that's a wakeup call, son. I swore off that black vortex of the soul forever, stepped outside, and breathed the fresh air as if for the first time. I lit a cigarette, pulled out a glock, said "this one's for you, Lenny" and shot that game into shards*. Reduced it to fucking molecules.

So when GT4 came out, I didn't buy it or anything. But really, they'd have to make some major changes for me not to shoot it.

*I totally made this sentence up. I don't smoke.

[sethsez]

yeah but the racings fun

[MarkRyan]

I came to a point where I needed mountains of money to advance to the next race...

In both Gran Turismo and GT4, except for at the beginning of the games I always had more than enough cash.

which was the same as other tracks I'd just done, except backwards.

More importantly, in different cars. GT4 has 50 different tracks (literally, not counting reverses or anything) so repetition isn't really a problem.

And what lay beyond that next race, once I'd finally gotten it? Why, the endurance series! Same old tracks, but NOW I HAD TO COMPLETE 300 LAPS. At 1 minute 43 seconds per lap, you can do the math on that one - God forbid if I had to do it mulltiple times to win it.

Endurance events are even worse in GT4 as there are actually some that are literally 24 hour races. I think they're pretty stupid, and I don't care about completing them. You can technically "beat" the game without doing them (or even half of the other races), so I don't mind them since some dorky kids are sure to want them. As far as game design, they're pretty retarded though.

And all the while, that fucking Lenny Kravitz song was looping over & over in the background, taunting me..."I'm off somewhere pumping hot white chicks wearing money condoms and I don't even have talent! So you go spend all your free time for the next two months going around in a circle on an imaginary racetrack, loser!"

Even in GT3, you could toggle which songs played. Or, if you really like cars, you turn off the music and enjoy the sound of the engines and the wind (which is what I do in GT4--listening to the music is boring).