13 yr old girl wants an abortion

[Joust Williams]

Oh, I should have posted the source.

http://womensissues.about.com/cs/abo...rtionstats.htm

Could be all junk, of course. And ironically, I get a Mother's Day ad that says "World's Greatest Mom" on that page.

[Diff-chan]

Damn, really? See, I never would have guessed it was that common. I would think, if something were that prevalent, I would have heard of at least one instance before Meach told me about the girl he knows. That's crazy. Where's that stat from?

Actually, it kinda makes sense. Either you become totally disgusted by it and emotionally wrecked and become fucking surgical with your birth control, or you become desensitized to it.

Honestly, I think this whole pro-choice/life debate obscures the big picture, which is that we should all be united to try to lower the number of abortions that are actually executed every year. I read on Slate that the number now is a lot lower than 10 years ago, this is great news.

Oh, I should have posted the source.

http://womensissues.about.com/cs/abo...rtionstats.htm

Could be all junk, of course. And ironically, I get a Mother's Day ad that says "World's Greatest Mom" on that page.

Thats pretty funny, actually.

[sethsez]

Honestly, I think this whole pro-choice/life debate obscures the big picture, which is that we should all be united to try to lower the number of abortions that are actually executed every year. I read on Slate that the number now is a lot lower than 10 years ago, this is great news.

I agree... to a point.

I don't think there should be less abortions per se, I think there should be less accidental pregnancies in the first place. If the abortion rate goes down, but the accidental pregnancy rate stays the same, then we either have

1) a whole lot more reluctant mothers, or
2) more kids up for adoption

1 is bad for obvious reasons, and the problem with 2 is that the people who are against abortion and say "put the kid up for adoption instead" think that solves the problem. Now, if these people would actually adopt more children then, fine, it's a valid argument, but they don't. Once the baby is born, it's "saved" and no longer an issue. Well, someone has to adopt that kid, but even though the moral majority rails loudly against abortion, I don't hear them speaking out loudly calling for more people to adopt. You'd think these points would go hand in hand.

[Fe 26]

Meach is right about the bolded part, though.

he is?

Mike, if and when you have a kid, how will you raise it? What kind of person do you want it to grow up to be? What kind of person do you try to be? Would you joyfully allow yourself or your children to completely fail to live up to your ideals? Like it or not, you have an ideal, a concept of how people should act, that you want to live up to, and if you have kids, you will try to raise them to live up to it too. You have a relative concept of what it means to be successful and what it means to be a failure. You want to be successful and you desire for the people you care about to be successful too.

Is life worth so much that it is better to live life as a failure than to not live at all? Is life merely the act of living, or is it how well someone uses the time that they are alive? Is life worth more than ones ability to enjoy said life? Would you deprive someone in serious life altering pain of the ability to end their own life? Would you stop a pedophile, a long time thief, wife/child abuser or a murder from dying?


BTW, "those people" does not apply to everyone that I find annoying or stupid. Do not confuse my opinions with that of an angsty emo teenage kid. When I say those people, I really mean horrible people that most people, if there was a vote, would agree that they should probably not being raising children. Example would be those mothers you see that in grocery stores that beat their children for crying. Or men who molest their daughters.

There are many situations that person can be born into that will most likely make them grow up to be a horrible person or live a life full of emotional problems and depression. We can not make laws to make people be more responsible and put off sex until a time that they can better raise possible children. We can however allow them to abort their children and hopefully they will decide to stop once or if they mature into people that are more responsible.

[Calliander]

Oh, I should have posted the source.

http://womensissues.about.com/cs/abo...rtionstats.htm

Could be all junk, of course.

Looks legit. I don't know anything about About.com, but it's not like opinion is posted there. What I find funny is this:

54% of women having an abortion said they used some form of contraception during the month they became pregnant.

This is the biggest lie ever, most people just want to sound somewhat responsible. And isn't it crazy that there are a ton of methods of birth control for women but all we can come up with for guys is the condom?

[sethsez]

This is the biggest lie ever, most people just want to sound somewhat responsible.

Not really. You'd be amazed at how many people don't know how to properly use contraception. They're completely oblivious to the fact that the condom they've kept in their wallet for a month might as well be made of tissue paper.

And isn't it crazy that there are a ton of methods of birth control for women but all we can come up with for guys is the condom?

Well, biologically, most of the action happens in the woman, so it makes sense that most birth control would focus on that. Of course, you could get a vasectomy if you want.

[Calliander]

Not really. You'd be amazed at how many people don't know how to properly use contraception. They're completely oblivious to the fact that the condom they've kept in their wallet for a month might as well be made of tissue paper.

I would be.

Well, biologically, most of the action happens in the woman, so it makes sense that most birth control would focus on that. Of course, you could get a vasectomy if you want.

That's true, and I plan on getting a vasectomy as soon as I get some free time and money.

[Vasteel]

Looks legit. I don't know anything about About.com, but it's not like opinion is posted there. What I find funny is this:

54% of women having an abortion said they used some form of contraception during the month they became pregnant.

This is the biggest lie ever, most people just want to sound somewhat responsible. And isn't it crazy that there are a ton of methods of birth control for women but all we can come up with for guys is the condom?

I once heard there actually was a pill for dudes being developed, without the nasty side effects that they sometimes have on women, in the '70s. Until a religious fundamentalist blew up the lab.
But an interesting question is raised in the context of this issue- how easy would it really be for a 13 year old to get birth control pills?

[sethsez]

I would be.

I spent three years doing volenteer work at an STD clinic. Most people are barely aware that contraception outside of condoms exist, let alone how they actually work (I've met more than my fair share of people who didn't know how to properly put on a condom). It's really quite sad.

[Diff-chan]

Actually, theyve been working on a male birth control for a long time, but no dice so far. Theyve come close a few times but none have made it through the usual testing and shit. I think whoever told you that story is full of shit.