Dead or Alive 4 - Official

**Prince Planet** · 19 Jan 2006, 08:35 PM

Originally Posted by FuryFox

That Elliot though, pansy-ness aside, is a monster. I hope you haven't been practing much with him

Only a couple of hours every day.

He has an interesting move set. It's easy to belt out the strings (which are oh so reversible), but his strengths are the very strong and deceptive single hits and 2 hit combos, followed by the monster juggles. I've had to spend some time looking carefully at the moves because, unlike Gen Fu, Eliot's attack levels are not always obvious -- particularly the hand strikes. I'm surprised at how very few people seem to be playing him -- I suppose he doesn't have the immediate aesthetic appeal of the the top chics and ninjas.

Edit: Following up on Dipstick's observation, I find Eliot's biggest weakness to be his mid-punch reversal, which only turns the opponent around followed by a love-tap. You'd think you'd be in a position to follow up with a throw or string attack, but there doesn't seem to be enough time to pull either off before the opponent can block/attack. In other words, it's really not even worth the attempt.

**cka** · 21 Jan 2006, 12:14 AM

ahaha, this message I got on live from bahn just tells me he's scurred to get another asswhuppin'

**bahn** · 21 Jan 2006, 04:51 AM

Originally Posted by cka

ahaha, this message I got on live from bahn just tells me he's scurred to get another asswhuppin'

Heh, I thought you'd get a kick out of that - but for your information, I am not avoiding you personally. I haven't played anyone on TNL for nearly two weeks.

Basically, I decided to just lay low and work on getting a better understanding of the characters/mechanics so that I could (hopefully) be a better opponent.

I know you're just talking shit, but seriously give it a rest, man. I've never claimed that I was good and if you're itching that badly to get a beatdown, then get in touch with the DOA vets on here.

Originally Posted by FuryFox

I'll take your word for it. I've not played him myself, just against him. It's probably just my unfamiliarity with his moves that make him tough. He just seems to have ridiculous damage potential (mostly combos after launch), seemingly good strings and decent individual power strikes. He seems like the goods from Gen, Lei Fang, and Jan Lee all in one.

Like you said though, throwing online is really nerfed. Offline I'm all about the throws after blocked strings, but online it's just asking for some more PP's to the face. I'm not sure how much this is favoring my evaluation of Elliot.

Granted, I'm not saying he's up there with Hayate and Helena, but for a "Gen Fu clone"...Actually, by your analysis Gen Fu doesn't seem that well off either. Besides his db+P, I can't think of any significant low threat Gen Fu presents.

I play Tina mostly, I can't think of any good low attacks that stagger on normal hit either. I don't find my low game is crippled though, as her db+P is almost always landing as a counter, and most her other lows are knockdowns. To be honest I'm sure Tina is even all that great, with all her mid-high strings, but she seems better than she was (DOAU) and I did fine with her then.

Great insight, man. If you're on 360 right now, I'd be down to go a few rounds with ya.

**FuryFox** · 21 Jan 2006, 05:03 AM

Originally Posted by bahn

Great insight, man. If you're on 360 right now, I'd be down to go a few rounds with ya.

I don't have a 360 yet

...or a HD widescreen television. My brother has both so I mess with his sometimes. But, SC3's still cool, right?

I fully expect to be stealing 1000's of points off all of you with your B's and A's with my virgin account as soon as I get one though : p

**Rooster** · 21 Jan 2006, 03:48 PM

Originally Posted by FuryFox

Like you said though, throwing online is really nerfed. Offline I'm all about the throws after blocked strings, but online it's just asking for some more PP's to the face. I'm not sure how much this is favoring my evaluation of Elliot.

Word. In fact, at least in my experiance, the whole "rock/paper/scissors" mechanic of strike/counter/throw is set aside in online play in favor of simply blocking and striking with the occasional throw. I've seen very few players even attempting to counter with any regularity, possibly because of the risk.

**Geo** · 21 Jan 2006, 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by FuryFox

-If you're playing Spartan on the Vegas strip, occasionally a Warthog full of marines will drive by (and can hit you).

:heart:

**TobalRox** · 21 Jan 2006, 04:34 PM

I could have sworn that the age affected the "jiggle"... ie, the older you were, the more bounce you could see.

**Rooster** · 21 Jan 2006, 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by TobalRox

I could have sworn that the age affected the "jiggle"... ie, the older you were, the more bounce you could see.

I'm pretty sure that rumor got started back when DOA2 came out on DC. AFAIK, noone has ever been able to prove that there is any truth to it, and Team Ninja probably continues to include it because it has achieved the status of a mainstay (with no actual purpose). There was even a hacked DC save file floating around on the net for a while that had the age set to over 200 and that didn't really seem to make any diff. at all either.