London Attacked

[Zerodash]

Bush certainly is responsible for North Korea having nukes now, though.

Even though it was Clinton who gave them the technology? Read up on your modern history. It takes more than 2 years to develop a nuclear arms program.

(Back on topic) Question for leftists: If you hate Bush/rightists becaue they tend to be overly religious, why do you sympathise with Islamic terrorists who pretty much stand for everything you claim to hate?

Islamic scripture, culture, and governments tend to be:

- Homophobic
- Anti Womens Rights
- Pro Violence
- Opposed to new ideas
- Oppressive of minorities
- Oppressive to citizenry
- Xenophobic

What gives?

[Doc Holliday]

Same reason Regean, Cheney & Rumsfield supported Saddam in the Iran war and Laden in the Russian War That ol' Enemy of my Enemy nonsense.

[maruchan]

THis was done by the UK and CIA..

OBey your masters...

[gameoverDude]

I guess I have to apologize because I see a problem with these guys being able to preach hate and evil towards our countries will living in our countries.

I have to agree. Those who speak so hatefully toward the US or its allies are not welcome here. War on Terrorism, eh George? Let's look within our own borders first and ferret out the devils who may be inside.

[NightWolve]

Maybe, maybe not.. Who cares?
Yoshi made the first move, and that's respectable.. No need to laugh at that.

You don't obviously, but you fucking asked and so I answered as to why I thought that way and said what I originally said. Also, I didn't care what you thought about the matter in the first place, you offered and what you offered was that I was obviously attacking a general principle of "You can disagree with someone and still acknowledge that they're an intelligent person" when I was speaking of a specific person and case. And yeah, I can and will laugh at him next time around.

[dave is ok]

i <3 xbox

[Cowdisease]

i <3 xbox

This man speaks the truth!

[Bacon McShig]

Terrorists <3 Gamecube

They stand for everything we stand against!

[g0zen]

(Back on topic) Question for leftists: If you hate Bush/rightists becaue they tend to be overly religious, why do you sympathise with Islamic terrorists who pretty much stand for everything you claim to hate?

This is partisan garbage. You're equating wanting to protect civil rights, freedom of speech and expression with supporting fundamentalist terrorism or the ideals Muslim fundamentalism. You show me the 'leftist' who said "Man, those terrorists sure are great!" and I'll show you someone who is the exact antithesis of a liberal.

As I said earlier, perhaps we on the left have been too overly protective of civil liberties and not protective enough of human life. Terrorism is a real threat, not an abstract one or one we can simply debate away. It does have to be met with force, but measured force. Sacrifices have to be made, and these may include some of our freedoms.

That is why we need organizations like the ACLU (although even I have begun to lose faith in them, as they seem less interested in doing their real stated duty and more about battling over stupid minutiae with the Christian right) to check the government when they go too far, but even they must understand that up to a point things HAVE to change.

We need balance, and always turning every debate, every news item into another bomb-throwing exercise between the two dominant political idealogies is about as far from balance as one can get.

[kedawa]

WWIII is long overdue.
Unless the entire western world wants to end up fighting terrorists forever like Israel, they had better do something now.
The only way to stop the extremists is to wrest control of the muslim lands from them, and help the good people in those lands to build a better society.
Iraq is a perfect example of how not to do that, but that doesn't mean it's impossible.
There's enough opposition to clerical rule in Iran to start a revolution, which we should fully support should it ever happen.