Industry needs more minority programmers...

[Diff-chan]

Nice non-answer. What are the benefits for minorities. "More people" doesn't involve racial lines.

If that person is white 99% of the time, tough shit. If that person is black 99% of the time, then great.

Why are they more qualified? Is it because theyre naturally smarter or gifted, or because they went to better schools, took more SAT prep courses, got their parents to pay more of their college tuition, went to better colleges, and had more aunts and uncles in positions to hook them up with jobs?

You're completely missing the boat here. I want these minorities to have the same opportunities as whites. Same quality schools, same drug-free neighborhoods, etc. A lot needs to be cleaned up, and a lot of work needs to be done. All too often people like you or Zerodash just scoff and say, "they just need to work harder, NOW LETS TOAST TO OUR SUCCESS". Im not in favor of handouts, Im saying that these people dont have the opportunities you, a fancy Purdue alumnus, has. I know youre a snotty asswipe who spits on people below you but you still cant be so ignorant as to not see this.

[Thief Silver]

I think you guys have taken each other's statements out of context.

I think what Yoshi was implying that is if we start giving jobs out to minorities because they're minorities, you'll end up with "majorities" in the same position that those minorities were in. Thus you have someone who still is in the ghetto failing at life because the resources are lacking, the only difference is that person is white. So it doesn't benefit the world in any real way, it just makes it so the colors are different.

... I hate viewing people as a different race, a minority, a majority, in the cases of genetics. I wish I could say "You all are being stupid, if a person isn't getting a job it's because he's not qualified" but we all know there are still many companies that high people based on a person's race.

Now you could theorize that "A black person from the ghetto who makes a lot of money may go back to the area he came from and try to improve it" which I guess would in a way improve the world. But it's all theory, from what I think is a logical standpoint is that "There are limited jobs in this world, if someone who winds up in the ghetto if they don't get a job, somewhere down the line someone is going to end up in that ghetto, regardless of color".


Diffx: He's right in the sense that the most qualified person for a job should be taken. That is the person who can do the job most efficiently.

Unfortunately people use what school, area, and heritage as a way to determine or get an idea of how efficiently they can do the job, which I think is your point.

[Yoshi]

So every black person living in the ghetto is automatically dumb? And every white person living in the burbs working an office job is intelligent? You cant be fucking serious. Every office Ive been to in my life has a lot of dumb people.

I never say "every". There are exceptions to everything, and I agree about dumb office people. The average person in the 'burbs is smarter than the average person in the ghetto though and there are tons of statistics to support that.

Why are they more qualified?

I don't care. Companies should be hiring the most qualified. This country was founded on people making better lives for themselves, not government programs or socialistic employers. Maybe if the stupid crack whores in the ghetto weren't incented to have more bastard children by welfare programs, there would be enough education money to go around.

[Fe 26]

I want these minorities to have the same opportunities as whites

you will never get this. Schools are paid for by property tax (or at least in my state). The kids who need better schools the most are the ones who have parents who pay in the least property tax.

[Yoshi]

Im saying that these people dont have the opportunities you, a fancy Purdue alumnus, has. I know youre a snotty asswipe who spits on people below you but you still cant be so ignorant as to not see this.

You realize that Purdue is a state school, right? It happens to be one of the better ones, especially in science and engineering, but it is still a state school. My tuition and room and board was something like $7,000 a year, none of which my parents paid after my freshman year. It's not like I'm some shit head who went to Notre Dame and got a shit education for $35,000 a year on daddy's dime.

[Diff-chan]

I don't care.

Then we're done discussing this. I'm talking about things like equal access to education and other things that would level the playfield. You don't give a shit about that, it just makes me sad to think that you're hardly alone in this.

This country was founded on people making better lives for themselves, not government programs or socialistic employers.

I believe that a free and *quality* education is a critical part of this country, too.

[Bacon McShig]

You're completely missing the boat here. I want these minorities to have the same opportunities as whites. Same quality schools, same drug-free neighborhoods, etc.

As I said, many times their schools get a lot more funding than non-minorities. The drug-free neighborhood point is on them.

A lot needs to be cleaned up, and a lot of work needs to be done. All too often people like you or Zerodash just scoff and say, "they just need to work harder, NOW LETS TOAST TO OUR SUCCESS". Im not in favor of handouts, Im saying that these people dont have the opportunities you, a fancy Purdue alumnus, has.

My best friend from HS was black and came from a poor, single mother who was usually working, with whom he lived in the rented the basement of someone else's house in a poor part of town. He graduated with a 3.2 GPA, and went on to and recently graduated from a very expensive private art school almost entirely on scholarships, a good handful of which were minority-based. All it takes is a little personal responsibility, the opportunity is certainly there.

[Yoshi]

All it takes is a little personal responsibility, the opportunity is certainly there.

Personal responsibility is at the root of 99% of this world's problems, no matter what color you are. The other 1% are caused by EA.

[Thief Silver]

Diffx, people are going to be like this no matter what happens. There are many people in the ghettos that can come out, and strive to succeed and do it. The same is with people better off, they could have the same mentality even if it's not needed. Along with that both places have people who can achieve things, but aren't quite as gifted as the people listed above. The difference between the ones in the ghetto and burbs is the burbs have more help.

So what can we do, to help give the people in the ghettos, or anywhere suffering like this? Just give them money and hope they spend it right? I can see where your points are, even if I'm shitty at wording what I'm reading. And I understand what you're saying, but what I want to know is what do you think we should do about it?

[Fe 26]

"A black person from the ghetto who makes a lot of money may go back to the area he came from and try to improve it"

This never happens. They move to the big money neighborhoods and never look back. Worse yet, many have no sympathy for people of their minority living in poverity. Those types of people end up being bitter because of years of taking shit for working hard instead of going out to play basketball and listen to rap with the guys. They had to work really hard to get where the are, and they are pissed at the people they grew up with for how lonely they made he/she feel while striving for something better.

Diff is right in part, minorities need better schools. But I am right in part too, there is a thought process out there right now where it isn't cool to do the things needed to be a doctor or game programmer.

Yoshi on the other hand is full of crap. White americans and black americans are equally stupid. They play the same games, watch the same tv, and listen to the same music. They destroy their minds in the same ways.