View Poll Results: Does everyone have a right to have the best health possible?

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Thread: Do People have a right to good health?

  1. Quote Originally Posted by Yoshi
    If it's not in the Bill of Rights, people don't have it. Health is not covered under "pursuit of happiness" either. Chick-fil-A sandwiches might be though.
    Well the constitution doesn't say anything about alot of things. No where does it say we have to provide soldiers with pensions or healthcare. Some parts we do are just good business, others are a part of ethical governence. But I suppose ethical governence means nothing these days.

  2. Overall, I do believe people have a right to have a basic standard of health, given that huge corporations lay waste to our environment and put chemicals in our water, food, and air which severely limit our lifespan without health care. They need to give back.
    ON THE OTHER HAND....
    I feel people need to stand up in this country and take some goddamn responsibility for their actions. Gorging oneself on fast food, or laying around and getting fat, or smoking two packs a day should not be covered. HOWEVER, treatment or the opportunity to reverse these behaviors ought ot be covered, like a pair of running shoes or something.
    Perhaps instituting mandatory "Exercise at Work" programs like I've heard about in Japan, similar to what we had in grade school, would help do the trick. I don't know the answer, but that seems like a decent start.

    So, in a way, yes, everyone deserves to have illnesses and defects detected beforehand, and treated if they suddenly raise their ugly head. On the other hand, there's also no need to have it turn into the welfare system that Britain's Health System has fallen into, either.

    That's me two cents, matey!
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  3. So we all agree that people are too fucking stupid to take care of themselves, health care is important to all Americans, and a visit to a "specialist" costs way too damn much.

    Maybe like my teacher's health insurance (which is massively overpriced because the state pays almost all of it) the medical industry counts on people having insurance that they can overcharge knowing that they'll get enough money back from the insurance companies to cover the folks who can't pay.

    Like gasoline companies that make BILLIONS of dollars while we spend half our check for fuel - someone is FUUTA and we need to figure out who it is and how to stop it.

  4. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by Jetman
    What can he do in a situation like this? I want to find a means to help him but I'm just not sure what he can do. I know that he is a mormon and has tithed in his church,sent his son on missions,been on missions himself, and has given a lot of time to his religion - yet the church that kicked him out to die was ,, "surprise,surprise" a Mormon church. Maybe he can appeal to their generous side and get them to readmit him due to all he has given the church, but I seriously doubt it......
    wtf, why did they kick him out?

    I don't think some of you understand the orginal question. I'm not asking about the politics that are part of healthcare. I'm asking, do you have a right, to make others take care of you?

  5. I'm asking, do you have a right, to make others take care of you?
    sure.

  6. Do People have a right to good health?
    Quote Originally Posted by rezo
    sure.
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by IronPlant
    wtf, why did they kick him out?
    He just doesnt have the money/means to pay his medical bills. He really should have looked into some insurance earlier, and it sucks that the place he works for doesnt provide any means of help medically for him, but he is pretty much screwed. I was talking with my dad about it the other night, and we couldnt believe there wasnt some sort of welfare hospital or something that he could get into for SOME kind of help. It would be better than just rolling over and dying.His only option now may be to pray to Joseph Smith (or whomever Mormons worship), or go to Mexico and hit up some some alternative medicine (herbs and acupuncture?).

  8. Quote Originally Posted by IronPlant
    I'm asking, do you have a right to make others take care of you?
    Not a right, no. I don't want to take care of my sister after my mother passes away since it would entail receiving her mental disability check and meting out funds to her, then making sure she spends that money wisely. On top of that, I'd have to make sure she sees her doctors regularly. I don't have to do any of that stuff, even if my mother begs me repeatedly.

    However, I'm supposedly a shitty person if I don't, even though I didn't ask for my sister to be born with a mental illness. So no, it's not a right, it's more of an ethical/moral thing.

  9. its not a "right" really i dont believe that there are any actual "rights". we have codified certain things into our government because we beleive that they make our system better than one that dosent have them. a certain basic healthcare system with provisions for those who have significant illnesses and no means to pay for them is not a right, but given that affordable healthcare is right now out of reasonable financial reach of a good portion of americans then it would be better to have than not to have. I am fortunate that my job provides pretty good coverage, a lot of people dont have that luxury.
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  10. People have the responsibility to health, not the right.
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